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14 Aug 2009, 1:00 pm

I think many Aspies like myself feel like nobody is really listening to them. Like many of our comments go ignored, and when in actual dialogue, it seems people often misunderstand what I'm trying to say.

I have a theory. I think people skim when they listen as opposed to listening word for word. Anyway, what do you think might be possible causes to why people don't seem to listen well, and what are some things you think you can do to get them to listen to you better and more accurately. So...

"I could get people to listen to me better if I..."

A) organize my thoughts better
B) get to the point
C) change my tone of voice to be slightly louder on the key points
D) Speak slower for the key points


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14 Aug 2009, 4:11 pm

I could get people to listen to me better if I said what they wanted to hear.



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14 Aug 2009, 4:15 pm

I could get people to listen to me better if I lowered my intelligence and talked about mindless crap.


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14 Aug 2009, 4:59 pm

I used to think that I did something that caused people not to hear me, but now I find that people hear me all right, they just pretend not to, because what I'm saying is not socially accepted.

Eg: My father needs people to talk into his right ear and slowly and clearly and with short sentences either in English or Spanish, not in the local language, which he never learned, having immigrated here at age 70. All over his file at the hospital it's written "doesn't communicate", "doesn't react", "doesn't relate", etc., which is not true. I keep telling nurses, doctors, helpers, everyone, that his brain is fine and he communicates very well, but they have to SPEAK INTO HIS RIGHT EAR. Of about 10 people I've told, not one acknowledged me. They all pretend not to hear me. Why? Because it's socially accepted (though not said outloud) that carers don't need make the effort to speak to an old patient in their good ear and in short sentences in English (even though everyone here speaks English as a second language). It's easier to write in the file "doesn't communicate" and treat him like a mummy.

In order for what we say to be "heard", we have to wrap it either in the socially-appropriate way, or manipulate people into wanting to hear what is usually ignored. Eg: You can bet if one of the nurses once owes me a favor, she'll hear me and start talking to my dad in his right ear. People manipulate their way into others' extra-mile graces.


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14 Aug 2009, 5:11 pm

Unfortunately, I am heard too often. My direct statements that I do not agree with something causes me a lot of problems. I'm currently wildly bouncing between my old self of 'just not talking' and trying to be more visible by 'attempting to speak my mind but pissing people off'.

If people ignore me, or pretend to not hear what I say, then I just stop talking to them in general as it is makes for a good sign that they didn't want to hear me in the first place. I tend to only relate to people who actually listen to me well, which really helps reduce social overload as I am not trying to talk to everyone.



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14 Aug 2009, 5:16 pm

cosmiccat wrote:
I could get people to listen to me better if I said what they wanted to hear.


Oh yes! That just about explains my recent discussion with my spouse. I'm not going to pile on a bunch of junk just to be nice (IE: lie), I'll actually say what I'm thinking instead of taking the extra steps to adjust it to something that sounds positive. I'm way too busy trying to absorb everything going on at the moment to have the available energy to make crap up.

Some days, I feel like the only way to be positive is to flat out lie.



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14 Aug 2009, 7:20 pm

Sometimes I wish I could be like Bartleby the Scrivener and no matter what any one asked of me, I could just simply say "I would prefer not to."

I remember reading this story of Bartleby the Scrivener by Herman Melville many, many years ago and being completely fascinated by it. I really identified with this strange character. Now I understand why.

He worked in an office with a bunch of other scriveners but was isolated from them by a screen and whenever his boss asked him to do something he would give the same reply. I won't tell you anymore in case you haven't read this already and would like to. But really, this character could definitely be on the spectrum. I think I read somewhere that Melville himself was Asperger.

I found the story on line. Here's the link if anyone is interested.

Bartleby the Scrivener



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14 Aug 2009, 8:05 pm

cosmiccat wrote:
I could get people to listen to me better if I said what they wanted to hear.


X 10

I think I just figured out what is wrong with my entire approach with people.


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14 Aug 2009, 8:10 pm

Greentea wrote:
I used to think that I did something that caused people not to hear me, but now I find that people hear me all right, they just pretend not to, because what I'm saying is not socially accepted.

Eg: My father needs people to talk into his right ear and slowly and clearly and with short sentences either in English or Spanish, not in the local language, which he never learned, having immigrated here at age 70. All over his file at the hospital it's written "doesn't communicate", "doesn't react", "doesn't relate", etc., which is not true. I keep telling nurses, doctors, helpers, everyone, that his brain is fine and he communicates very well, but they have to SPEAK INTO HIS RIGHT EAR. Of about 10 people I've told, not one acknowledged me. They all pretend not to hear me. Why? Because it's socially accepted (though not said outloud) that carers don't need make the effort to speak to an old patient in their good ear and in short sentences in English (even though everyone here speaks English as a second language). It's easier to write in the file "doesn't communicate" and treat him like a mummy.

In order for what we say to be "heard", we have to wrap it either in the socially-appropriate way, or manipulate people into wanting to hear what is usually ignored. Eg: You can bet if one of the nurses once owes me a favor, she'll hear me and start talking to my dad in his right ear. People manipulate their way into others' extra-mile graces.


this one time I was volunteering at an animal shelter and a lady walked over to a Dalmatian as commanded it to sit several times and the dog completely ignored her. I remarked that deafness is a common trait in Dalmatians due to inbreeding (thank you Disney) so he may not respond. She looked at me and then turned to the dog and screamed SIT SIT SIT... as loud as she could.


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14 Aug 2009, 9:50 pm

...was willing to spend my time making inane smalltalk

...pretended to live a traditional lifestyle so they would feel more comfortable with me

...had more "common sense" (according to my mother)


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14 Aug 2009, 10:08 pm

Shiggily wrote:
Greentea wrote:
I used to think that I did something that caused people not to hear me, but now I find that people hear me all right, they just pretend not to, because what I'm saying is not socially accepted.

Eg: My father needs people to talk into his right ear and slowly and clearly and with short sentences either in English or Spanish, not in the local language, which he never learned, having immigrated here at age 70. All over his file at the hospital it's written "doesn't communicate", "doesn't react", "doesn't relate", etc., which is not true. I keep telling nurses, doctors, helpers, everyone, that his brain is fine and he communicates very well, but they have to SPEAK INTO HIS RIGHT EAR. Of about 10 people I've told, not one acknowledged me. They all pretend not to hear me. Why? Because it's socially accepted (though not said outloud) that carers don't need make the effort to speak to an old patient in their good ear and in short sentences in English (even though everyone here speaks English as a second language). It's easier to write in the file "doesn't communicate" and treat him like a mummy.

In order for what we say to be "heard", we have to wrap it either in the socially-appropriate way, or manipulate people into wanting to hear what is usually ignored. Eg: You can bet if one of the nurses once owes me a favor, she'll hear me and start talking to my dad in his right ear. People manipulate their way into others' extra-mile graces.


this one time I was volunteering at an animal shelter and a lady walked over to a Dalmatian as commanded it to sit several times and the dog completely ignored her. I remarked that deafness is a common trait in Dalmatians due to inbreeding (thank you Disney) so he may not respond. She looked at me and then turned to the dog and screamed SIT SIT SIT... as loud as she could.


LOL


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15 Aug 2009, 5:30 am

I think I just need to be more expressive. That might be the problem for a lot of aspies. And also I talk too quietly too, often ppl can't hear what I am saying and ask me to repeat it. Which is embarassing:D



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15 Aug 2009, 7:34 am

that is annoying.



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15 Aug 2009, 7:57 am

cosmiccat wrote:
Sometimes I wish I could be like Bartleby the Scrivener and no matter what any one asked of me, I could just simply say "I would prefer not to."

I remember reading this story of Bartleby the Scrivener by Herman Melville many, many years ago and being completely fascinated by it. I really identified with this strange character. Now I understand why.

He worked in an office with a bunch of other scriveners but was isolated from them by a screen and whenever his boss asked him to do something he would give the same reply. I won't tell you anymore in case you haven't read this already and would like to. But really, this character could definitely be on the spectrum. I think I read somewhere that Melville himself was Asperger.

I found the story on line. Here's the link if anyone is interested.

Bartleby the Scrivener


This was made into a movie a few years ago. It stars Crispin Glover as Bartleby and he does a good job.



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15 Aug 2009, 8:06 am

Greentea wrote:
I used to think that I did something that caused people not to hear me, but now I find that people hear me all right, they just pretend not to, because what I'm saying is not socially accepted.

Eg: My father needs people to talk into his right ear and slowly and clearly and with short sentences either in English or Spanish, not in the local language, which he never learned, having immigrated here at age 70. All over his file at the hospital it's written "doesn't communicate", "doesn't react", "doesn't relate", etc., which is not true. I keep telling nurses, doctors, helpers, everyone, that his brain is fine and he communicates very well, but they have to SPEAK INTO HIS RIGHT EAR. Of about 10 people I've told, not one acknowledged me. They all pretend not to hear me. Why? Because it's socially accepted (though not said outloud) that carers don't need make the effort to speak to an old patient in their good ear and in short sentences in English (even though everyone here speaks English as a second language). It's easier to write in the file "doesn't communicate" and treat him like a mummy.

In order for what we say to be "heard", we have to wrap it either in the socially-appropriate way, or manipulate people into wanting to hear what is usually ignored. Eg: You can bet if one of the nurses once owes me a favor, she'll hear me and start talking to my dad in his right ear. People manipulate their way into others' extra-mile graces.

This is malpractice in my book. I'm reminded of my sister's personal observation that a lot of children were misdiagnosed with conduct disorders when they were simply incapable of doing assigned tasks (poor vision, poor hearing, ADHD, etc.). It's always far easier to write off a person that to actually try to understand him.


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15 Aug 2009, 8:08 am

cosmiccat wrote:
I could get people to listen to me better if I said what they wanted to hear.

The problems we have are that we usually don't know what other people want to hear in the first place. Then, if we can figure that out, our honesty and directness prevents doing that.


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