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02 Sep 2009, 2:33 am

i mean i am now being considered "borderline mentally retarted",or in the BIF,because i failed an iq because of sleep deprivation.But say someone's iq is 83 and then a month ago he takes other iq test and his iq is 88 and in 2 years other iq and his iq is lets say 109.Will this person by then being considered borderline retarted???Am talking about these because i did an iq in army,because of lack of sleep i scored somewhere between 80-85,i did the same iq on the interner(iqtest.dk)fully rester i finished it in 28 minutes and i scored 108,but now am used to iq tests and i even did two iq tests on the internet on iqout.com and in one i scored 104 and in the other 125 what am i now???Normal or mentally retarted???

I am saying this because i think a person who in reality has an iq of 80-85 could have never scored in his life somewhe between 100-120 but always between 80-95 at maximum...



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02 Sep 2009, 2:44 am

I've personally always been below average on most IQ tests, but have never been given one professionally. There are so many online that I really just don't trust them and the results. They are fun to take and all, but I always wonder what I would score if I took a REAL one. I wouldn't be surprised if I was below average... I can be very bright when it pertains to certain things, but other things, I couldn't tell you if my life depended on it. I've never been able to pick up on things that I never found useful to myself, or interesting... it's just in one ear and out the other... and if, by chance, I manage to pull any of that out of my brain to throw onto the paper, it's quite overanalyzed at times, or I'm just not getting what I'm being asked. I've never done well with written direction or explanations.

Oftentimes I have to be told SEVERAL times how to do something... I just don't do well with simple concepts of how to approach anything unless I'm hand over hand shown how to do it, or told time after time exactly how something has to be done. If that cannot be provided, I'm basically screwed.


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02 Sep 2009, 2:50 am

anxiety25 wrote:
I've personally always been below average on most IQ tests, but have never been given one professionally. There are so many online that I really just don't trust them and the results. They are fun to take and all, but I always wonder what I would score if I took a REAL one. I wouldn't be surprised if I was below average... I can be very bright when it pertains to certain things, but other things, I couldn't tell you if my life depended on it. I've never been able to pick up on things that I never found useful to myself, or interesting... it's just in one ear and out the other... and if, by chance, I manage to pull any of that out of my brain to throw onto the paper, it's quite overanalyzed at times, or I'm just not getting what I'm being asked. I've never done well with written direction or explanations.

Oftentimes I have to be told SEVERAL times how to do something... I just don't do well with simple concepts of how to approach anything unless I'm hand over hand shown how to do it, or told time after time exactly how something has to be done. If that cannot be provided, I'm basically screwed.


the thing is if someones iq RESTED is 81,since he is slow,will never have the power to score an 105 lets say but if he get used to tests at maximum 95 lets say while another person whose iq is 105 if he get used to them can score up to 120.



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02 Sep 2009, 2:52 am

right. I do think it's possible rested vs. unrested... and if it's not possible for one's IQ to change over time actually, now that I think of it (not go higher, but get lower over time)... why would they always want to keep people working on things or learning new things even up into nursing homes?

I would think trying to keep them "sharp", or at least as "sharp" as they are able to be, would be proof to some extent that it can change over time.

Maybe I'm overanalyzing, or maybe I'm just misunderstanding, lol. Sorry, just trying to offer input of some sort.

As far as it going higher, I mean, I cannot personally give any thought to that, as I know it is very unlikely for me for it to happen, lol. But I'm interested all the same to see other responses.


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02 Sep 2009, 2:58 am

anxiety25 wrote:
right. I do think it's possible rested vs. unrested... and if it's not possible for one's IQ to change over time actually, now that I think of it (not go higher, but get lower over time)... why would they always want to keep people working on things or learning new things even up into nursing homes?

I would think trying to keep them "sharp", or at least as "sharp" as they are able to be, would be proof to some extent that it can change over time.

Maybe I'm overanalyzing, or maybe I'm just misunderstanding, lol. Sorry, just trying to offer input of some sort.

As far as it going higher, I mean, I cannot personally give any thought to that, as I know it is very unlikely for me for it to happen, lol. But I'm interested all the same to see other responses.


the thing is i want to proof that i am not mentally retarted since my iq is at least 86...the thing is if someone's iq fuctions at 81,he will never have the power to score lets say 110 on another test.BUT IF he get used to test he may score lest say 92...Am saying this because i got used on iq tests and i may score 120 while my actual iq is 106 but at least i have proved that i am not mentally retarted since one with and 81 iq will never have the power to score 120 i mean that 40 points difference..



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02 Sep 2009, 3:12 am

At 86, you're nowhere near. 16 points above, and even someone who scores 70 still has to show significant delay in the usual activities of daily living to actually be considered MR.

People with IQs measured in the 80s tend to have problems with schoolwork, but nothing else really very obvious.

Of course this all comes with the caveat that autistic and ADHD people are very hard to test, and their tested IQs may easily have little or no relevance to their actual ability to do things. We have people who have genius IQs and yet need constant assistance, and people who are below average and have post-graduate degrees, and people who are <70 and still live quite happily on their own. That is probably because the overall IQ, in an autistic person, tends to be an average of lots of skills scattered all over the place--extreme strengths combined with equally extreme weaknesses. Unlike someone with an uncomplicated low IQ (that is, they would be neurotypical if it weren't for the IQ), who generally has all their skills gathered more or less closely around their personal average, someone with autism can score above 99% in one area, but only above 1% in another area, and still be called "average". That is very different from someone who scores at 50% on both things.

IQs in autistic people can increase, but I wouldn't say this is any sort of increase in basic intelligence. It is probably a reflection of our atypical development, and the way in which we can learn things quite suddenly, given a proper environment, or learn them at different times than most people but just as thoroughly, or skip steps that seem essential for neurotypicals--for example, the child who speaks for the first time at age three, but in full sentences. The IQ test was normed for people who are more-or-less neurotypical with the possible exception of unusually high or low IQ scores. It wasn't normed for autistics.

If you got a score of 86 on an IQ test, it may make you eligible for extra academic help, if you happen to need it. If you do need it, and can profit from it, I encourage you to take advantage of it--but also not to let them assume that you are not capable of a lot simply because of that label. If you are indeed autistic, you most likely have strengths that are far above your personal average, whether that average is 86 or 106 or any other number. Because of your atypical brain, those strengths will be more important than where the average lies.


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02 Sep 2009, 3:23 am

Callista wrote:
At 86, you're nowhere near. 16 points above, and even someone who scores 70 still has to show significant delay in the usual activities of daily living to actually be considered MR.

People with IQs measured in the 80s tend to have problems with schoolwork, but nothing else really very obvious.

Of course this all comes with the caveat that autistic and ADHD people are very hard to test, and their tested IQs may easily have little or no relevance to their actual ability to do things. We have people who have genius IQs and yet need constant assistance, and people who are below average and have post-graduate degrees, and people who are <70 and still live quite happily on their own. That is probably because the overall IQ, in an autistic person, tends to be an average of lots of skills scattered all over the place--extreme strengths combined with equally extreme weaknesses. Unlike someone with an uncomplicated low IQ (that is, they would be neurotypical if it weren't for the IQ), who generally has all their skills gathered more or less closely around their personal average, someone with autism can score above 99% in one area, but only above 1% in another area, and still be called "average". That is very different from someone who scores at 50% on both things.

IQs in autistic people can increase, but I wouldn't say this is any sort of increase in basic intelligence. It is probably a reflection of our atypical development, and the way in which we can learn things quite suddenly, given a proper environment, or learn them at different times than most people but just as thoroughly, or skip steps that seem essential for neurotypicals--for example, the child who speaks for the first time at age three, but in full sentences. The IQ test was normed for people who are more-or-less neurotypical with the possible exception of unusually high or low IQ scores. It wasn't normed for autistics.

If you got a score of 86 on an IQ test, it may make you eligible for extra academic help, if you happen to need it. If you do need it, and can profit from it, I encourage you to take advantage of it--but also not to let them assume that you are not capable of a lot simply because of that label. If you are indeed autistic, you most likely have strengths that are far above your personal average, whether that average is 86 or 106 or any other number. Because of your atypical brain, those strengths will be more important than where the average lies.


i did an iq test totally sleep deprived and drowsy and i scored an 82 i think.that makes me at least having an iq 86,1 point above borderline intellectual fuctioning.i did the same iq on the internet RESTED and i scored 108.i went to a psychologist and did iq tests and measured mine at 108.i did two iq tests on iqout scored 104 and 120 the thing is i want to prove that am not in the borderline intellectual fuctioning range.Now i got used to iq tests and i may score even 125 while my actual iq may be 105 but at least thats a proof that i am not in the bif range...My iq is not 86 i say my iq is at least 1 point up from the bif range and that makes me not having any intellectual disability,either retatdation or borderline intelligence...



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02 Sep 2009, 3:28 am

And I am saying that IQ is largely irrelevant anyway, for autistics...


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02 Sep 2009, 6:55 am

Yes, IQ can vary. I don't know if it does for everyone and there is probably a number of reasons including abilities, environment in which was tested, environmental factors that influence(d) the person taking the test, (personal) motivation, developmental course as swell as the test itself that lead to a small to significantly lower or higher score on different test that affect some people, while it does not affect the performance of others.

The score can also differ significantly between different tests depending on the area(s) of intelligence the test tests in you, just like Callista already explained in length before this.

Edit: Right, I forgot, IQ = IQ score. IQ is just a construct that's measured by a test, it's not to say an IQ actually reflects your intelligence accurately.


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02 Sep 2009, 7:27 am

The score does not stay constant. People learn to take tests. Do enough tests and you become efficient and your score increases. Does you underlying intelligence (what the score is supposed to measure) increase? I doubt it.

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02 Sep 2009, 8:06 am

"Imagination is more important than knowledge." - Albert Einstein

If anything, the question of IQ is moot. A person can be good at tests, but poor at research. Personally, its about equilibrium: The more "intelligent" you are, the more your common sense suffers. So if your IQ is 80 - 100, chances are your common sense is quite keen. There are likely people out there with severe mental handicaps who have contributed to society in some. Personally, the IQ system of interpretation needs to be rethought. Instead of higher numbers meaning higher intelligence, it should be interpreted as higher ability to learn new material or apply multiple concepts together for one project. Course, lets not forget another age-old quote:

"Stupid is as stupid does" - Tom Hanks, "Forrest Gump"



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02 Sep 2009, 12:04 pm

ruveyn wrote:
The score does not stay constant. People learn to take tests. Do enough tests and you become efficient and your score increases. Does you underlying intelligence (what the score is supposed to measure) increase? I doubt it.

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thats what i am saying
how can i prove that i am not mentally retarted since i become efficient???
i am now like forrest gump is that a bad thing???is mental retardation a bad thing???even though others may think that i am retarted in reality i am not and that whats matters...