We people with AS are better then NT's

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13 Dec 2009, 8:28 pm

At first when I came to know I had AS,I was very dismayed but now I realise we also have a big positive side.I have listed some of the benifits I can think of.
We aspies are more humane then NT's,we dont judge a person by his racial,religious or economical status.
There is not a shred of superficiality in us, we mean what we say.there is no deceitful in us ,we are truly genuine people.
We dont hurt other people feelings for our amusement purpose.
we have contributed so much to humanity through out our history.
We can be very focused and hard working if we are following our interests.we outclass NT"s .
Shouldn't we be proud to be Aspies?



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13 Dec 2009, 8:46 pm

I find it interesting that you say people with AS don't judge and are not superficial, yet your topic is supposed to enlighten readers on how people with AS are "better" than or "outclass" NTs. You adopt an incredibly stereotyping view of NTs, assuming they all fit the little pigeonhole you've created. And you use the pronoun "we," as if all people with AS are somehow united in a cause they're actually all cognizant of.

To put it bluntly, you're no better than anyone else. Get rid of your elitist attitude. Check your morals and gain some respect.



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13 Dec 2009, 9:28 pm

I don't like the phrase, "better than." I think we can be better off, and others can be better off, in a multitude of ways. But better than, is impossible, because we are all human, and in this life together.


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13 Dec 2009, 9:37 pm

survivor wrote:
At first when I came to know I had AS,I was very dismayed but now I realise we also have a big positive side.I have listed some of the benifits I can think of.
We aspies are more humane then NT's,we dont judge a person by his racial,religious or economical status.
There is not a shred of superficiality in us, we mean what we say.there is no deceitful in us ,we are truly genuine people.
We dont hurt other people feelings for our amusement purpose.
we have contributed so much to humanity through out our history.
We can be very focused and hard working if we are following our interests.we outclass NT"s .
Shouldn't we be proud to be Aspies?



Very arrogant.

We aspies are not better than NTs. Aspies can be just as bad as NTs. Aspies also judge and assume the worst.
Aspies can to hurt peoples feelings for enjoyment. intensitysquared is an example. A freedom of speech site for people on the spectrum (but anyone can join). People there like to insult each other.
I also take it you haven't been in the Religion and politics board yet, there are dramas there and arguments and people can take it pretty hard. I of course don't go to that part of the forum because I find religion and politics to be boring.

So no, we are no better than other people. I have seen some very bad aspies online, jerks, bullies, ignorant ones, judgmental ones. I have seen some of that behavior here as well.

I'm not proud to be an aspie and I don't hate it is what. I'm neutral about it but I wouldn't change it if there were a cure. I think it's what made me be me and the pathways I've taken in life. But I'm not defined by it.

I have given up on thinking how much better we are and I stopped thinking it's an NT trait to be mean and judgemental and stuff. Just as long as there will be bad aspies out there, I will not think we are superior.



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13 Dec 2009, 11:15 pm

Don't think so.



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13 Dec 2009, 11:23 pm

People are people, and any one of us might be useless if any two of us were identical.

I would rather be who and whatever I am rather than anyone or anything else, but I can understand and respect why an NT or anyone else might say the same.


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13 Dec 2009, 11:34 pm

I don't think you can make absolute statements, but some things do seem to lean in the directions you say. But "outclassed" is the same kind of value judgment that some NTs put on ASC people. I disagree with that kind of judgment, which ever direction it happens to be going.

Pride doesn't have to come at the expense of anyone else.



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14 Dec 2009, 12:06 am

never mind the PC police
what u wrote is generally true and then some
and it would be very unwise to dismiss such an obvious and important facts just because they raise some very difficult logical or moral dilemmas because we need to know who and why we are in order to survive
and survival as and aspie in a NT world is tough as it is with out us dissmissing important info because it doesn't sound nice
AS are judjmental as any one else but contrary to the NT we are not in a hurry to prosecute and persecute
at least not in the "real life"
probably because many of us are more aware than the average NT to the complexities of life
facts are facts and it is very dangerous to deny reality
for instance
would any one like to compare the numbers of aspies abused by NT's to the number of NT's abused by aspies ?
like many autistic i have a too good memory and can bring up countless incidents when wrong done to me in return for a very humane and just acts
should i ignore it and live like a saint ?
based on the above info i limited my contacts with the NT to the very necessary and mu life got much better in any aspect
physically and mentally i'm so much better since i left the NT world that people say i'm almost unreconizable

the question as to how someone could be better and still believe in equality goes beyond semantics
aspies are better because the treat everyone equally
NT are worse because the don't



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14 Dec 2009, 12:26 am

survivor wrote:
At first when I came to know I had AS,I was very dismayed but now I realise we also have a big positive side.I have listed some of the benifits I can think of.
We aspies are more humane then NT's,we dont judge a person by his racial,religious or economical status.
There is not a shred of superficiality in us, we mean what we say.there is no deceitful in us ,we are truly genuine people.
We dont hurt other people feelings for our amusement purpose.
we have contributed so much to humanity through out our history.
We can be very focused and hard working if we are following our interests.we outclass NT"s .
Shouldn't we be proud to be Aspies?


What a very ignorant statement--and a contridictory one at that since it's coming from an Aspie. Saying that an Aspie is better than a NT is like agreeing to the majority during Imperialism that we should conquer the Africans and Asians and assimilate them into our culture just because they're savages compared to the Europeans.

Also, saying that is like saying all Aspies are the same. And Besides, I know some aspies who are Anti-Semitists if you want to say we're more humane than the NTs. We can be racist and prejudiced just like everyone else; it's not like we don't have a conscious. So your logic is flawed.



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14 Dec 2009, 1:51 am

Maybe you're generally right but we can't speak of the positive side.



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14 Dec 2009, 1:52 am

This attitude is incredibly counter-productive.


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14 Dec 2009, 2:08 am

I generally agree that Aspies may have the ability to not judge a person based on superficial things and tend not to base opinions of people on stereotypes. However that hardly makes us better. Just different.

If you want to feel better then don't think of yourself as better than others. Think of yourself as just different and accept that this difference comes with bonuses and costs.



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14 Dec 2009, 2:33 am

I understand this sort of reaction. It's like a rebound from a sort of self-loathing that comes with learning about having autism. I had it.

But as others here have said, it's hippocritical to claim superiority, or to generalize, even.

That aside, autism has its advantages. Once in a while I'll encounter problems that are easy for me that neurotypicals can't even seem to comprehend.
Unfortunately, that works both ways, And their way is more common.


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14 Dec 2009, 2:36 am

To me, there are 3 types...

1.Aspies=those with AS
2.NeuroTypicals="average" people but not bullies
3.NeuroNazis=bullies and those who discriminate against those with AS


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14 Dec 2009, 2:43 am

We're not better, no. Are we better in some areas? Yes. And are NTs better in some areas? Yup to that too.

We just have different strengths to NTs the way I see it, but I do have a huge problem with NTs trying to make me more like them, because... Well, I'm not one!

But am I proud to be aspie? Yeah, I'd probably say that I am :)



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14 Dec 2009, 3:55 am

survivor wrote:
At first when I came to know I had AS,I was very dismayed but now I realise we also have a big positive side.I have listed some of the benifits I can think of.
We aspies are more humane then NT's,we dont judge a person by his racial,religious or economical status.
There is not a shred of superficiality in us, we mean what we say.there is no deceitful in us ,we are truly genuine people.
We dont hurt other people feelings for our amusement purpose.
we have contributed so much to humanity through out our history.
We can be very focused and hard working if we are following our interests.we outclass NT"s .
Shouldn't we be proud to be Aspies?


I've mistreated my dog when over stressed. (not humane)
I've lied, but I greatly dislike it and find it very hard to do in most situations (mostly but not perfectly honest)
I've been extreme and annoying just for kicks off of peoples response (harassment)
Sometimes my brain gets all muddled up and I cannot focus properly on interests. (inefficiency)


Sorry, but most people can possess these traits above. Being an Aspie doesn't make us special in that respect. It is very annoying that people use these stereotypes so seriously. They are supposed to be encouraging, trying to say, "Hey! You can still function, and be good at such and such!" Unless you possess an extreme talent that some autistic individuals have, then you're just like everyone else in the world. You have your own set of traits, each with pros and cons.

Make use of what you get I say!


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