What do you believe about the vaccine theroy?

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Do you think vaccines cause autism?
I believe that thimerosalcan cause autism 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
I believe that the MMR vaccine itself can cause autism 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
I believe that the vaccines trigger a genetic predisposition to autism 8%  8%  [ 5 ]
I believe that autism is purely genetic and vaccines are irrelevant 90%  90%  [ 56 ]
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11 Aug 2009, 9:01 pm

I think it's purely genetic. My grandfather was most likely AS and my dad has AS traits and neither of them were vaccinated.


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11 Aug 2009, 9:13 pm

I clicked "purely genetic", but it may be more like, "The presence or absence of autism is genetic, but its expression can be affected by (probably prenatal) environmental factors." For example, autism is more common with: Older mothers and fathers, difficult pregnancies, poor prenatal care and nutrition, and illness during pregnancy. Environment can "cause" autism only in the sense that it can tip what would have been an NT with autistic traits into the range of mild PDD-NOS or Asperger's... The only exception I know of is in the case where there is brain injury or some other complicating factor that would cause any child to have overall developmental delay--epilepsy is a common one for autism, but the regular old bump to the head, a case of meningitis, or a short period of anoxia during birth might do it too. In those cases, it could be that the other illness or injury makes it much harder to use an autistic brain, to the point that what might have been a very mildly impaired child ends up with a severe disability. Autism tends to make one sensitive to all sorts of physical, mental, and emotional stressors. Disclaimer: This is my personal theory. I don't have the research to back up anything more than the first two sentences.


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11 Aug 2009, 9:22 pm

I read a book by a woman who appeared to have a son affected by the MMR. Her husband is a chemist and they did research on it. It seems to be a set of preconditions set up like a line of dominoes and the MMR is the domino you first tip over. The end result is not true autism I think but something that mimics the symptoms of autism. When they placed the child on a totally casein and gluten free diet the symptoms disappeared.



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11 Aug 2009, 10:22 pm

I didn't click a poll choice. As far as I understand current research, AS/ATDs is caused by a combination of genetic and epigenetic factors, and the expression of some such factors is not entirely determined but predisposed, such that environmental factors, including perhaps vaccines or milk protein or gluten, may in a subset of individuals induce a measurable effect.

So my position is close to what others have written, but I'm ready to revise it as the research moves forward.



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11 Aug 2009, 10:29 pm

Also did not vote; I suspect a combination of pre-existing genetic conditions, susceptibility to further environmental effect, and subject to a number of triggers ranging from conception to early infancy. I do not subscribe to the mercury hypothesis, as it is called; at the same time, ASU did a study that found maternal fish consumption did have a small relationship to being on the spectrum so I cannot rule it out as a contributor in some small way... there are many forms and many miniscule ways to be exposed to it. Options on the poll indicate a bias which makes it impossible to feel comfortable with answering.


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11 Aug 2009, 10:30 pm

I believe that thimerosalcan cause the 'autism' to become more apparent

I believe that the MMR vaccine itself can cause autism ( before we would have just thought of the person as eccentric)

I believe that the vaccines trigger a genetic predisposition to autism



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12 Aug 2009, 1:44 am

I think Aspergers is genetic. In my genepool, it is.

However, a latent predisposition may express itself in response to a strong stressor. Vaccination, especially with multiple vaccines at once, could be such a stressor. I would compare it to a genetic predisposition to type II diabetes, where it may or may not come out depending on diet and other factors in a person's life.



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12 Aug 2009, 2:05 am

I haven't read anything so far that could convince me of the vaccine theory. Also I have a natural dislike for conspiracy theories and all sorts of "cures". Personally I believe that it's mostly about genes and probably will be one of the last genetic syndromes to be cured if ever since it's so complicated and it varies greatly in how it presents itself.



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12 Aug 2009, 4:14 am

I think it is genetic and possibly environmental but cannot be caused by vaccines. There was no solid evidence behind the claim that MMR vaccines cause autism and it was designed purely to scare the ignorant public. There is a rise in cases of diagnosed autism because autism spectrum disorders are more widely recognised and therefore more frequently diagnosed, it has nothing to do with vaccinations.
I've never believed in the vaccine theory and I never will do. I can't understand how people can get sucked into such ludicrous claims.

One of my mum's friends refused to vaccinate her children because she feared they would get autism. Ironically, her youngest son has quite severe Asperger's.


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12 Aug 2009, 6:36 am

Callista wrote:
"The presence or absence of autism is genetic, but its expression can be affected by (probably prenatal) environmental factors."


This. I think that too.


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12 Aug 2009, 6:37 am

My son clearly showed signs before he had any immunization shots of any sort at all. He was too sickly, so they started those a year later than normal. I just think people ultimately want something to be angry about, and need something to blame.... and since the symptoms really start showing pretty obviously around the same time shots start up, it's coincidental.



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12 Aug 2009, 6:58 am

I don't believe in the vaccine theory, except that in a few rare cases, a person might have a mtichondrial/metabolic/etc. disease that may lead to autistic characteristics, and that also predisposes them to vaccine side effects. That still wouldn't mean the vaccine causes or agravates the autism (I believe the judges in the Hannah case in Gerogia a whiel back mistookco-occurrence for causation), but that an adverse vaccine reaction and autism are somehow caused or agravated by the same underlying disorder...these children may be autistic anyway regardless of vaccines.



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12 Aug 2009, 7:04 am

It's an open debate no matter what evidence you use.

Mercury, in any form, SHOULD NOT be in vaccines. It is a fact that the body can not tolerate much mercury in the blood and the effects can be horrible. Why it is still in use today is really a stupefying question.

There is evidence showing that infants given vaccinations CONTAINING mercury have had an explosion of autism cases compared to prior generations of vaccines. The means it's not genetic only or the numbers would be fairly consistent. It's not environmental because the explosion of cases is fairly uniform over a broad variety of environmental situations other than the vaccine WITH mercury.

It is imperative for people to take their health seriously. I don't disbelieve in vaccinations, but in the last 20-30 years, a lot of unsafe garbage that should not go into your body is being allowed into vaccines, consumer goods, food products, etc. That your doctor thinks it is safe is not something you should blindly trust. Some doctors just don't know. Some don't care. Even with good intentions your doctor could be putting poison into you and your loved ones.

Now that American medicine is driven more by big pharma and not sound medical research and proven testing methods, I question anything and everything.



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12 Aug 2009, 9:20 am

I believe it's genetic, because some of these things run in both sides of my family.



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12 Aug 2009, 10:11 am

I think the entire vaccine thing is BS.


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12 Aug 2009, 11:18 am

I also believe Aspergers/ Autism is genetic, that the genetic predisposition prevents the body from eliminating toxins in a sufficient way.

The ultimate insult occurring with Vaccination and some of it's undeniable content of questionable substances.

A child may have just been a little 'eccentric' not warranted to come to any diagnosis about it.
The shot ( this is my opinion) set something of that inflicted harm to these vulnerable brains and to dismiss all the parents who know their child and noticed this change in the child right after the shot, is a crime in itself.

I know I will make a lot of enemies with this post, but the truth needs to be told.
My son was different after his last shot and I did not even know about the Thimerosal back then.

It is like you have this bundle of joy and right after the last shot the spark and twinkle in his eyes was gone.It was really scary and I did not know what to do or say about it.
Do you go: " Hey doctor, did something happen, my kid is just not the same like it was before you gave him the shot?!"