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09 Nov 2009, 4:47 pm

But... Aren't there some dyslexic autistics out there?



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09 Nov 2009, 5:15 pm

On the contrary I've heard that dyslexia seems to be strangely associated with autism, in that people with dyslexia often show mild autistic symptoms (they may be mildly aspergic) or people with autism are often dyslexic. I know of one person who has asperger's syndrome and also has dyslexia and dyspraxia. I used to know another person with dyslexia and I often thought he could have a touch of AS. He seemed to have similar difficulties as me listening during conversations and contributing. He was also very pedantic and would often be grumpy about me turning up late to band practice (although it did mean he had to do a little extra setting up but then I also had to catch a pretty long bus ride in and would rarely miss setting up altogether).



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09 Nov 2009, 5:23 pm

I'm on the autism spectrum and I often wonder if I have a touch of dyslexia.



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09 Nov 2009, 5:50 pm

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Aren't there some dyslexic autistics out there?


Yes, I'm one of them.



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09 Nov 2009, 6:13 pm

Autism seems to affect development of certain non-social learning ability in a great many cases, either enhancing or impairing it (or some combination of the two). As a result, the autistic population appears to have an overrepresentation of dyslexic, hyperlexic, dyscalculic and hypercalculic people. While I am not aware to what degree the more extreme negative effects occur in autism, it is well known the degree to which the extreme positive effects can be present - fully half of people considered "savants" are autistic. Without an agreed-upon definition, there is room to quibble over the numbers, but one would still be hard pressed to argue that the most-enhanced abilities in these areas are no more prevalent among autistic people than the population at large. I would be curious to know how the other end correlates to autism.



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09 Nov 2009, 6:42 pm

I have just a touch of dyslexia...trouble knowing left from right...sometimes if i see a word written backwards, I won't realize that it is written backwards for a few moments..

I have another friend who is more severely dyslexic...and I am pretty sure he has a clinical case of narcissistic personality disorder (even though I am not qualified to diagnose him..I have just known him for years and he fits the criteria to a tee)

...I sometimes wonder whether NPDs are the evil cousins of the aspies...almost opposites...but somehow related.

His dyslexia is to an extent that he cannot read digital clocks..he says all the little bars just dance around in odd patterns when he looks at them.

He is extremely social...extremely pedantic...going on and on repeatedly about himself and things he has done or plans that he has...He has no qualms against lying to protect himself..He is a really messed up guy....treats women awfuly...always on the prowl....and quite good at seducing women and taking advantage of them...(very social..but not very empathetic)

The NPD traits don't have much to do with his dyslexia...but he also has a few little odd savant skills and odd wiring quirks....like his extreme pedantry and repetitiveness that make me wonder where he lies in relation to the autistic spectrum.

Like me, he is left-handed and does not drive a car..I have been told that he has broken down on occasion, saying that he can't stop his repetitiveness because he feels like his mind is broken...he also tends to break down if he is unsuccessful in manipulating someone.

He excels in playing several instruments and used to have a knack for instantly memorizing phone numbers.



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09 Nov 2009, 7:06 pm

My younger sister is as sociable and "neurotypical" thinking as they come, and has dyslexia...

One of her teen daughters is (I believe mis) diagnosed ADHD and has it (dyslexia) as well...and I'm virtually certain that niece is ASD rather than ADHD...



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09 Nov 2009, 7:29 pm

ColdBlooded wrote:
But... Aren't there some dyslexic autistics out there?

yep, me.
No doubt I'm both autistic and dyslexic.


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09 Nov 2009, 8:20 pm

pensieve wrote:
ColdBlooded wrote:
But... Aren't there some dyslexic autistics out there?

yep, me.
No doubt I'm both autistic and dyslexic.
Same here.


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09 Nov 2009, 9:00 pm

poopylungstuffing wrote:
...I sometimes wonder whether NPDs are the evil cousins of the aspies...almost opposites...but somehow related. ...
He is extremely social...extremely pedantic...going on and on repeatedly about himself and things he has done or plans that he has...He has no qualms against lying to protect himself..He is a really messed up guy....treats women awfuly...always on the prowl....and quite good at seducing women and taking advantage of them...(very social..but not very empathetic)
...but he also has a few little odd savant skills and odd wiring quirks....like his extreme pedantry and repetitiveness that make me wonder where he lies in relation to the autistic spectrum.

I've often wondered the same thing, NPD seems so opposite to ASD in some aspects and so similar in others. My wife has some Narcissistic traits, where I'll tend to leave things where they are, she moves every piece of furniture in the house for no apparent reason, I'm happy to be unobtrusive she's got to be the center of the universe; we tend to make each other crazy. Yet a narcissistic rage seems so like a meltdown, just different triggers.



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10 Nov 2009, 11:12 am

I have both condition. There is noting mild about my AS.



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10 Nov 2009, 11:52 am

I'm both AS and Narcisistic. I think there is no out and out.


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10 Nov 2009, 12:50 pm

Nightsun wrote:
I'm both AS and Narcissistic. I think there is no out and out.


If you have both AS and NPD how do the traits manifest/interract with each other?

I am self-centered..just because I have a hard time getting outside of my own head and relating to others...I have been called narcissistic because of my thing with posting all of the You Tube videos....but I don't think that I have NPD....at least I hope not...



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10 Nov 2009, 4:03 pm

Yes, dyslexia and ASCs frequently are mixed. There is over 0.5 in correlation between the "Adult Dyslexia Test" and Aspie-quiz scores.

However, the researchers claim that autistic dyslexia is different from neurotypical dyslexia. What they should have written in the article is that neurotypical dyslexia is opposite to autism. However, then they shouldn't have attributed creativity to neurotypical dyslexia, as this probably goes more with autistic dyslexia. I don't know what to make of this, but I do now that the dyslexia diagnoses in Aspie-quiz shows signs of different ethologies, so it is possible they are right. However, much more research would be needed.