What to do when life becomes irregular, off the course?
Thanks to asperger's, I think so far what I have defined to be important in my life, and my values, are totally in a mess. What should I do? Pick up myself and move on? To where?
I liked a rigid path, maybe because asperger's fear of irregularity. What should I do when I discover that my life has become irregular, and off the course? What helped you when your life is in a mess and opposite of what you want it to be?
Last edited by amyst on 07 Dec 2009, 11:07 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Thanks I fixed it. I think dealing with irregularities and off courses in life is what I am asking.
In what sense do you think that your values are messed up? What are they currently? What do you not like about them as they are?
I chose to give up my career and stay with someone, thinking his presence will help my career. It ended up being extremely harmful. I chose to love the same person, thinking love is what I want. It isn't. I can't get myself out of these two way of thinking. My mind is trapped. I think about him all the time, and I don't know how to get out.
How do asperger's get out of some rigid way of thinking? I have been feeling trapped and dying.
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In what sense do you think that your values are messed up? What are they currently? What do you not like about them as they are?
I chose to give up my career and stay with someone, thinking his presence will help my career. It ended up being extremely harmful. I chose to love the same person, thinking love is what I want. It isn't. I can't get myself out of these two way of thinking. My mind is trapped. I think about him all the time, and I don't know how to get out.
How do asperger's get out of some rigid way of thinking? I have been feeling trapped and dying.
Sorry if this is a dumb question, but are you able to re-focus yourself (if there is something worth focusing on)? Could you focus on picking up your career again?
In my younger days, I used to think that having a romantic relationship was the most important thing, and that other things like a career would be easier if I had that love in my life. The truth turned out to be just the opposite. I didn't have a really successful love relationship until I had self-confidence from a steady job that I felt would become a career (which it did).
Unfortunately, when things seem to be getting unstable (e.g. layoffs at work), it still freaks me out, but one of the benefits of getting older is knowing that there are always ups and downs. One of the not-so-good things is having to face the fact that things always change and there will always be times when life doesn't seem to be going the way you want or the way you planned. Unfortunately, my only answer to that is to remind myself that there will be better times in the future, even if it's hard to picture them in the moment.
JSB
I think it can be very important to realise that life is very full of irregularities and detours...
When I was in my early twenties, my father died. And I found that quite a few, if not most, of the people that I had considered "friends" very obviously didn't have the same conception of friendship that I did. And quite a few of them explained to me that despite their words to the contrary beforehand, we weren't such good friends as their words had indicated. (There was a girl that I'd been trying to date that had called and told me that she was there for me if I needed to talk... She then didn't answer her phone for two weeks, because she wanted to wait before she was out of town before telling me to never call her again. Her explanation was that I should have know that it didn't mean anything when she told me that, because it was just something that people said and it didn't really mean anything in the first place (I tend not to read phatic communication very well.) She also explained to me that I should have known that it didn't really mean anything when she told me we were friends, and I should have known this because we weren't friends to begin with. And said that she'd only been pretending to be my friend because she "didn't want to seem like a b****h".) Which is probably just an extended way of saying that quite often, there's quite a bit of one's life that one can't control.
I couldn't keep my father from dying. I couldn't keep the woman from lying. There was very little that I could do about the situation to change most of what happened. And this can be read in a couple of different ways. It could either be considered extremely frustrating (due to my lack of control) or it could be considered extremely liberating (Have you ever read any Milan Kundera? He talks about this a bit in his The Unbearable Lightness of Being. Our powerlessness can be frustrating or liberating. Why liberating? Because it absolves us of responsibility.) I think there's a reason that a lot of the 12 step programs use the serenity prayer. You can drive yourself crazy trying to control what you have no control over. It's a much better idea to focus on what you can control. (As to how one tells the difference, uhhhh, I'd have to let someone else take a swipe at that.)
One thing I did learn from the situation, though, was to set my own boundaries. The one person I live with, day in and day out, is myself. I spent a good chunk of my early twenties letting other people treat me in ways that I didn't like being treated and then blaming me for their behavior (I was too uptight or too judgmental or expected too much from people, etc.) And rather than resorting to some sort of overarching standard (they're crappy people, etc.), learned that the world is large enough that I don't need to live with these people. Does this make me selfish or standoffish or something along those lines? Maybe... Do I necessarily care? Probably not... It makes me a happier person. I had a similar conversation with an acquaintance once whose husband had left her a month after her daughter from a first marriage was killed in a car accident (this sort of thing was not what he signed up for when he got married, he said. She expected too much from people. I told her that it was her fault for using boilerplate vows. He had, after all, said that they were married till death did them part. If she assumed that the death in the vows referred to one of the two people exchanging vows, that was clearly her misreading. She understands my sense of humor so didn't hit me. The reason I bring this up, though, is to say that it's kind of goofy to say that one expects "too much from people". "People" are different and have different needs and different abilities. She may have expected too much from him, but whether that's a generalisable case is debatable. As someone with the tendencies I have, this is a good chunk of the reason I prefer direct conversation (or pathological honesty, if you will). There's enough room for misunderstanding without precision. Do I expect this directness from other people? Depends on the person. Most of them, not so much. But I am much more comfortable in deciding what works, not for "people", but for me.
It doesn't need to be about what is right or wrong or whatever you'd like. It can just be about what works for you and the people around you. And that's something you need to work out with yourself (and with the people around you should you choose to negotiate that with them.) There isn't necessarily a single answer. But there should be one that works for you. And that's the one for you to find. You're the one that has to live with the answer.
Detours can be fun. They can be scary as all heck. As a basic metaphor for life, the rigid path is an interesting one. In that conceptual space, there's a lot of things going on. You may have to walk the rigid path alone, it can be a narrow path. You might find yourself off of the path with no idea how to get back on. You may end up realising at some point or another that the path you're on is not one that takes you where you want to go (even that the road signs were all misleading in the first place), in which case you might need to find a new one altogether. Regardless, though, it's your walk and you're the one who would need to figure out how/where you want to go. Find the path that works for you.
Which is probably a bit hyperlexic for a post that ultimately doesn't answer the question for you (if only because it's one you probably need to come to for yourself.) Hope it helps anyway. Hang in there...
If you mean that the Aspergers diagnosis has made your life suddenly seem more messy than it used to seem, I can understand that. I'm still feeling kind of lost since my DX...so many things I thought I was sure of have turned out not to be so. I suppose that in time I'll get a better handle on who I am now, and what I can and can't do. I think Aspies tend to be slow learners but when they do get there, the learning is often stronger than it would be in anybody else.
If you just mean that you see your life as generally too messy, well life itself has been described as a messy accident, so it might not be you that's particularly that way. Things don't fall into neat categories very often, which is annoying.
Maybe it's how AS affects me, but I don't let it bother me, but I used to be a lot worse.
I claim to not like everything to be so predictable, but when I look at my nature, I'm a creature of habit...almost to the point of being rigid.
However, life is about adaption. First thing I'd suggest is have a "truth encounter" over your need for things to be so predictable and rigid. Yeah, AS is a part of that, but I found I had "control issues" because I wanted everything to be perfect. I had to accept that "stuff happens" and that nothing is ever perfect. Once I got to that point, I became more flexible about a lot of things...even if it still made me anxious.
Another idea is to learn to embrace the madness (lol). The world is a crazy place, and trying to keep your sanity amongst so many insane people will drive you bonkers. Unexpected events are a chance to see and experience new things you'd not normally see. See such events as an opportunity to learn so that it's not a total loss.
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