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29 Dec 2009, 4:22 pm

...of borderline intelligence???



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29 Dec 2009, 4:25 pm

???????

What are you talking about?



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29 Dec 2009, 4:49 pm

Haha whats this border between? Intelligent and stupid? I would be inclined to think thats borders highly subjective. It all depends on your definition of intelligent.



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29 Dec 2009, 4:50 pm

As in borderline high or borderline low? ???



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29 Dec 2009, 4:53 pm

my psychologist told me people with BIF or borderline intelligence don't have fully sense of the world around them aka don't understand everything...is that really true???



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29 Dec 2009, 5:07 pm

Chief__ wrote:
my psychologist told me people with BIF or borderline intelligence don't have fully sense of the world around them aka don't understand everything...is that really true???

I doubt there are many people on this planet who do fully sense the world around them. In fact people who attempt to do so are usually labeled as insane in modern western society. Shamans attempt to sense more of the world than one would ordinarily be inclined to sense. Honestly what your saying is insane. Someone who claims to understand everything is obviously severely deluded and ignorant of the fact that we simply do not know s**t about this world we find ourselves in. You sure those were the exact words of your psychologist? If they were I suggest you find another psychologist.



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29 Dec 2009, 5:15 pm

he told me what his opinion not as a fact....
anyway we don't fully know what are others inside...
the thing is do borderline mentally ret*d people lets say understand everything???i mean someone with an iq of 81...

one funny thing is that some relatives don't know if i am mr or not while strangers know...

and one thing i ask you all:

"Who knows one's self better than his/her own self??"



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29 Dec 2009, 5:22 pm

Some folks' elevators go a little higher than others', and I would say intelligence begins with at least knowing "up" from "down".


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29 Dec 2009, 5:34 pm

Chief__ wrote:
...of borderline intelligence???


When you are standing right in the doorway leading into the CIA building?



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29 Dec 2009, 5:36 pm

Chief__ wrote:
he told me what his opinion not as a fact....
anyway we don't fully know what are others inside...
the thing is do borderline mentally ret*d people lets say understand everything???i mean someone with an iq of 81...

one funny thing is that some relatives don't know if i am mr or not while strangers know...

and one thing i ask you all:

"Who knows one's self better than his/her own self??"

True nobody really knows what kind of intelligence anyone else possesses because they only measure certain expressions of their intelligence. In other words nobody knows what goes on inside other peoples heads like you said. IQ is only really a measure of ones ability to do IQ tests. For example when I started studying maths in depth my IQ (the scores I get on online IQ tests at least) went up by 20. I'm no smarter than I was before I just know little tricks to calculate numbers quicker.



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29 Dec 2009, 6:05 pm

Chief__ wrote:
he told me what his opinion not as a fact....
anyway we don't fully know what are others inside...
the thing is do borderline mentally ret*d people lets say understand everything???i mean someone with an iq of 81...

one funny thing is that some relatives don't know if i am mr or not while strangers know...

and one thing i ask you all:

"Who knows one's self better than his/her own self??"


Agree with that.

Maybe someone else will know more, but it seems like ASC people can have IQ's that are way out of whack with how someone with such an IQ is supposed to function. I.e. there was someone I knew who had an IQ of 75, but was in graduate school and perfectly aware of the world.

IMO the idea that low IQ means not understanding the world sounds pretty glib. If you talk slowly people assume you're not as aware of the world as them. Or move 'oddly,' or dress a certain way, even. But none of that has anything to do with a person's awareness of the world. I.e. non-verbal folk seem to get really screwed over by such assumptions. So I'm skeptical about such a claim.



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29 Dec 2009, 6:09 pm

haven't you ever though "how it is to be a dog???"

sometimes i see people with disabilities and you just don't know how they are inside...they may understand,they may not understand and others may have low iq but understand but they seem just stupid not by their iq but by their behavior....how they act and all that....i am saying that because i know i think a low iq man who goes to college but i don't think he understands anything while i know another in ''worse position'' with lower iq who is fully aware and understand everything...



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29 Dec 2009, 6:32 pm

Chief__ wrote:
haven't you ever though "how it is to be a dog???"

sometimes i see people with disabilities and you just don't know how they are inside...they may understand,they may not understand and others may have low iq but understand but they seem just stupid not by their iq but by their behavior....how they act and all that....i am saying that because i know i think a low iq man who goes to college but i don't think he understands anything while i know another in ''worse position'' with lower iq who is fully aware and understand everything...


Yeah I have a bit of an idea what your saying. When I take magic mushrooms theres not a shred of doubt in my mind that I am way more aware of my surroundings than I usually am but in this state something as "simple" as tying my shoelace becomes an extraordinarily complicated task. Things aren't what they seem. Those who are considered "intelligent" in my honest opinion do not possess high degrees of awareness. I think in order to "concentrate" we have to funnel our awareness and narrow it down not unlike how light is concentrated to a single spot by a magnifying glass. Things are not always what they seem :twisted:



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29 Dec 2009, 8:35 pm

"Borderline intelligence" sounds like a fair description of your psychologist, but not you, not from what you've said so far. It might also be a fair assessment of your psychologist's vocabulary.

"Borderline" is an insult. Period. Even psychiatrists, those daft bats, are getting away from it. It's a sloppy form of diagnosis and the word itself sets off alarms in the general public. Does he talk to you about "your pathology"? That's another insult. These are intimidating words. Tell him to treat you like a human being.

Have I mentioned that I have "borderline pneumonia"? That's intimidating doc talk for "the common cold."