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26 Dec 2009, 7:19 am

I've heard some NT's say; "I know how it feels like to have AS", but then I asked to myself; "B*ll, I don't know how it feels like to be NT and vice versa, do you agree with me?



26 Dec 2009, 7:38 am

Yeah



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26 Dec 2009, 7:44 am

If knowing how to be NT means knowing how to engage with people socially and never having wondered where you were when they handed out the how-to book, then no.


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26 Dec 2009, 7:49 am

bdhkhsfgk wrote:
I've heard some NT's say; "I know how it feels like to have AS", but then I asked to myself; "B*ll, I don't know how it feels like to be NT and vice versa, do you agree with me?


i think it may be easier for a non autistic person (NT?) to imagine life within autism, than it would be for a person with autism to imagine what it is like to not have autism.



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26 Dec 2009, 7:54 am

b9 wrote:
bdhkhsfgk wrote:
I've heard some NT's say; "I know how it feels like to have AS", but then I asked to myself; "B*ll, I don't know how it feels like to be NT and vice versa, do you agree with me?


i think it may be easier for a non autistic person (NT?) to imagine life within autism, than it would be for a person with autism to imagine what it is like to not have autism.


1. I said AS, not autism.

2. If an NT don't understand how an aspie thinks, there's NO WAY they can understand how a person with autism thinks, that's just b*ll.

3. NT's have a different brain than aspies.

4. Nt's can imagine what it feels like to be depressed and lonely, but not how it feels like to be an aspie.



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26 Dec 2009, 8:13 am

bdhkhsfgk wrote:
b9 wrote:
bdhkhsfgk wrote:
I've heard some NT's say; "I know how it feels like to have AS", but then I asked to myself; "B*ll, I don't know how it feels like to be NT and vice versa, do you agree with me?


i think it may be easier for a non autistic person (NT?) to imagine life within autism, than it would be for a person with autism to imagine what it is like to not have autism.


1. I said AS, not autism.

AS is autism.

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2. If an NT don't understand how an aspie thinks, there's NO WAY they can understand how a person with autism thinks, that's just b*ll.

well i do not understand how you think, and you do not understand how i think, and we may both not understand what others think so "let's call the whole thing off".

i can not be bothered to try to understand what other people think.

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3. NT's have a different brain than aspies.

every living consciousness has a different brain.

bdhkhsfgk wrote:
4. Nt's can imagine what it feels like to be depressed and lonely, but not how it feels like to be an aspie.


so what? i do not care who sees any reason in me. i will be me no matter whether anyone else understands or not.



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26 Dec 2009, 9:22 am

b9 wrote:
bdhkhsfgk wrote:
b9 wrote:
bdhkhsfgk wrote:
I've heard some NT's say; "I know how it feels like to have AS", but then I asked to myself; "B*ll, I don't know how it feels like to be NT and vice versa, do you agree with me?


i think it may be easier for a non autistic person (NT?) to imagine life within autism, than it would be for a person with autism to imagine what it is like to not have autism.


1. I said AS, not autism.

AS is autism.

I don't quite agree there, people with autism, and I mean classic autism, doesn't know how to pick up a fork, I've even encountered aspies who "Grow out of" the diagnosis and almost become 100%, the only issue I have left is social skills, but because of my narcissism, I will never truly be social, but I've shown symptoms of outgrowing for about a year now, I can laugh like an NT in social situations, I bash celebrities and critizise them for imperfect finishes, but I may still have need for AS so I can make excuses and make a shield around myself to confuse people.

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2. If an NT don't understand how an aspie thinks, there's NO WAY they can understand how a person with autism thinks, that's just b*ll.

well i do not understand how you think, and you do not understand how i think, and we may both not understand what others think so "let's call the whole thing off".

i can not be bothered to try to understand what other people think.

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3. NT's have a different brain than aspies.

every living consciousness has a different brain.The NT brain is slightly different than an aspie brain, they see the world in colors, not black & white like most aspies do.

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4. Nt's can imagine what it feels like to be depressed and lonely, but not how it feels like to be an aspie.


so what? i do not care who sees any reason in me. i will be me no matter whether anyone else understands or not.



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26 Dec 2009, 9:30 am

Seems like the post got f***** up, so let me explain myh true meanings of this;

People with AS are brilliant, they can learn form their mistakes and bedcome better persons, some have almost 100%, around 95% become NT, I'm like them, the only issue I have is narcissism, so I will never truly be social, however, having AS is awesome, because they can use famous, successful aspies as shields, such as I do, while I can act NT.



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26 Dec 2009, 9:39 am

EP



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26 Dec 2009, 9:41 am

I am not so much of a black and white thinker like I used to be, in fact I find them annoying if they are bad ones.



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26 Dec 2009, 1:19 pm

bdhkhsfgk wrote:
People with AS are brilliant, they can learn form their mistakes and bedcome better persons, some have almost 100%, around 95% become NT



Dude, that is such a Bu**Sh*t myth - Yes, you may learn some social skills over the course of your life, that's because you're autistic, not ret*d, but if you believe you can 'learn' yourself into actually transforming your genetically miswired brain into a Neurotypical brain, you clearly don't comprehend that AS is fundamentally a LEARNING DISORDER.

No one with true AS will ever become neurotypical without dying and being reincarnated into a different body with a differently formed brain.

AS isn't just about how well you think you're doing socially - its easy to fool yourself into thinking you're operating more smoothly than ever before, and maybe you are - but the NTs around you still see that you're fumbling, and you will never fit smoothly into their world because your brain is missing key components that they have and you do not. Whether you want to accept it or not, you think differently than they do, your brain processes signals of all types differently than their brains do and you can't shut your eyes and strain and make that change.

Behavioral Therapies that teach you how to mimic NT behaviors don't change the way you function inside your head - it just turns you into a puppet who dances their way instead of your own natural way. That doesn't make you 95% or 100% NT. That makes you a stooge.

::sigh::

Back to the OP:

I have heard several people, when I try to describe aspects of AS to them, make remarks like: "Wel, everybody goes through that." And it makes me want to strangle them. Because it is sooo not true on any level. They're just being superficial and dense.

The kinds of social anxiety and ineptitude that Aspergians experience is exponentially greater and more debilitating than average Neurotypical 'shyness'. To equate the two is not just to downplay what those with AS go through - it's to treat it as though its not really a handicap, but a mere excuse. They just don't get it and they never will. But that's the level of discrimination we are forced to deal with. Not just that we're weird, distasteful and annoying. That we're doing it on purpose and making excuses, because there's really nothing wrong with us in the first place.

I refer to it as the "Yore legs ain't broke" syndrome. We don't appear to be physically malformed and we're not visibly ret*d, so there is no real problem.

No NT in this world can imagine what its like to have Autism in any form. Unless they want to subject themselves to having a piece of their brain removed. :twisted:

And I don't want to know what its like to live in their heads. They're idiots. :roll:



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26 Dec 2009, 1:33 pm

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No NT in this world can imagine what its like to have Autism in any form. Unless they want to subject themselves to having a piece of their brain removed. :twisted:

And I don't want to know what its like to live in their heads. They're idiots. :roll:


My sentiments, precisely!!



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26 Dec 2009, 1:41 pm

Willard wrote:
bdhkhsfgk wrote:
People with AS are brilliant, they can learn form their mistakes and bedcome better persons, some have almost 100%, around 95% become NT



Dude, that is such a Bu**Sh*t myth - Yes, you may learn some social skills over the course of your life, that's because you're autistic, not ret*d, but if you believe you can 'learn' yourself into actually transforming your genetically miswired brain into a Neurotypical brain


Quick question: What is it that makes autistic brains "miswired" and NT brains right?


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26 Dec 2009, 1:47 pm

Meadow wrote:
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No NT in this world can imagine what its like to have Autism in any form. Unless they want to subject themselves to having a piece of their brain removed. :twisted:

And I don't want to know what its like to live in their heads. They're idiots. :roll:


My sentiments, precisely!!


Being sentenced to life in an NT brain would be cruel and unusual punishment for me. I wouldn't even want to visit an NT brain without a big flash light and a crucifix. Unless they had funnel cakes.



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26 Dec 2009, 1:56 pm

I won't discuss this further, just to let you know it, but I don't like being called autistic, it makes me unable to concentrate.



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26 Dec 2009, 1:58 pm

cosmiccat wrote:
Meadow wrote:
Willard wrote:
No NT in this world can imagine what its like to have Autism in any form. Unless they want to subject themselves to having a piece of their brain removed. :twisted:

And I don't want to know what its like to live in their heads. They're idiots. :roll:


My sentiments, precisely!!


Being sentenced to life in an NT brain would be cruel and unusual punishment for me. I wouldn't even want to visit an NT brain without a big flash light and a crucifix. Unless they had funnel cakes.
:lmao:

No amount of funnel cakes would really be worth being that stupid. :)