Do people think your ret*d before they get to know you?

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30 Dec 2009, 9:02 pm

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I know that some ignorant NTs think that you appear "arrogant" or "stand-offish" if they see you sitting by yourself and not talking to anyone. They don't understand that you're thinking of other things and it's not because you looked down on other people.

I very much agree, and I think the way I speak plays some part in this as well.



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30 Dec 2009, 11:20 pm

ppl think I am not "ret*d" but stupid when they first meet me because I have a far away look in my eyes...I have been told. I actually have this look because I am thinking all the time, not always on the present moment, but I love knowlege. I however am phenomally bad at math which holds me back in the science dept. I love science though as far as the information and factual part of it. I am also bad at spelling and diction because I have a moderate hearing loss my whole life and I spell things the way that I hear them. But I am very creative and I paint, write poetry, draw, sculpt, do fiber arts, and experiment with new forms from time to time. When people see my art, they usually cant believe that I had the brains and the depth to "pull it off".
This seems to be a common phenomenom in N/T and AS relations.



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30 Dec 2009, 11:21 pm

People have never thought that about me.


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31 Dec 2009, 12:13 am

Before when I was more "naive" people thought I was weird or dumb.
And dumb not because of how I acted but because I got really bad grades because I was going through an emotional trauma thing and lost interest in school, but I wasn't sad or depressed. But people also thought I was homosexual or something cuz I was tomboyish, but it was only because I appeared to take no interest in dating and I always wore pants, but only because I could not stand skirts and stuff.

Now people think I'm just really quiet, aloof, emotional, childish, or caring or generous. Or all of them. Mostly childish, since I throw mild fits sometimes.
And some of my friends treat me like a child, and they're in the grade before me.
Which doesn't surprise me because I have always felt the most immature out of everybody, even if I was the oldest.

Some people have even called me a child. I take that as either good or bad, since I act like a child does throwing fits and being naive and asking questions and acting too happy all the time I'm not being emotional. And then caring or generous because I always give people stuff. But I only give people stuff so I will not be hated and also since I like seeing people happy.


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31 Dec 2009, 6:29 am

I'm not exactly sure. People definitely find me off-putting. I find it very difficult to put together conversations and I think people judge me negatively on this.


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31 Dec 2009, 12:20 pm

Yes, most definately I've had a whole boatful of people even fellow Aspies whom, have felt that I was ret*d for not being up on current trends or due to the fact, my typing & writing skills tend to often create a conundrum unto most people resulting in many persons thinking I'm some 16yr old teenager which, is not the case whatsoever.. I'll admit that I do my best to write out my posts in a way that can be seen as intelligent and thoughtful but, since I don't go into very lengthy elaborate responses I guess most people tend to think that my IQ must range in 80 and below.. :oops: Anyways, whenever I'm onlline I'm always trying to get my point across as best as possible including this post of mine which, I hope can be seen without any confusion and all.. There is not much else I can say at this juncture though, this thread is something I found very interesting both on an intellectual level as a personal level both..



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31 Dec 2009, 5:09 pm

I can't help but wring my hands over and over when I'm nervous or bored. People usually take it wrong and ask me stuff in a slow voice like I'm a stupid dog or something. I snap out something witty and intelligent, then they get rather miffed and ignore me. I've given up pretended to be interested in stuff at work because everyone accuses me of being a walking encyclopedia, yet another label I try to avoid. At least my numerous pets love me.



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31 Dec 2009, 6:17 pm

I'm called weird and creepy, and people often mistake me for somebody who wants to have sex with them. But I'm too smart to be called ret*d.



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31 Dec 2009, 10:21 pm

I was thought of as an rtard in school by people outside my immediete circle.


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01 Jan 2010, 4:07 am

jocundthelilac wrote:
I was thought of as an rtard in school by people outside my immediete circle.


Same here.


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01 Jan 2010, 4:21 am

i tend to operate in absolutes, black and white, and find comfort in order... in saying that, i have been described as blunt and arrogant on a number of occasions... but never ret*d until recently, and that was my own brother. :-/

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my brother flew into the country on the 12th of December with his Fiancée and baby son for Christmas. i asked my older brother to leave (threw him out) last Monday afternoon (21st December) after an argument that started that morning.

the argument was about me not wanting to go to a catch up BBQ with his friend. the friend used to also be my friend until we had a shared birthday celebration around 18 months ago. i was made very uncomfortable by said friend and his friends. i will not elaborate though i will say that i do not like being the butt of jokes (there is a limit to my good humour) and i do not like my generosity or admittedly naive good nature being abused... or coming to the harsh realisation that this friend has been taking advantage of me, and making me a joke for some time.

so, my brother called me a f****** ret*d because i did not want to attend the BBQ. i don't like being called a f****** ret*d. i was pretty vocal in my response, i exploded at him. once in the morning, and then later in the day when he returned from his planned day out. he came in as if he had done nothing wrong, and wondered why there was no warm greeting from me. he repeated that i was indeed a ret*d and when asked he said that "yes" it felt good to insult me, he was also good enough to raise my AS and social anxiety in a not so positive light (f****** mental issues). i was made even more upset by this.

i may have over-reacted but i think i was in my right to do so... maybe a little bit anyway. i am tired of the s**t that is served up to me. i am 29; i am not someone that can be bullied, i am not someone that can be the butt of jokes, and i am not someone whose good nature can be abused. admittedly, i am naive to the ways of the world and too idealistic for my own good... but it does not mean that i can be milked for it - for the fact that i am not overly competent in detection of less-than-honourable intentions and agendas, and it would seem that i lack the cunning intelligence to have agendas of my own.

dear reader, you may sense that this blow up was not all about what occurred that day, unfortunately for all present it was probably about 20 odd years worth of frustration due to bullying... bullying in the home and at school.

as a child i was treated as a servant, as a teenager i was a lackey to be picked on (spotty, gangly, clumsy youth that i was), as a younger (though established on my career path) adult it would seem that i was a ready source of money to support him while he finished his study... and indeed, in retrospect, that my generosity is a fantastic convenience because i have some difficulty in saying no and in not being able to ask for loans to be repaid (:wall:)

i was quite angry. i told him that when he insults me like this it is difficult to know what to feel when i have always gone out of my way to help him - even when i was getting a foothold for myself and just starting out. i told him to get f****** a number of times, called him a c**t goodness knows how many times, asked him how much mileage he intended to get out of the story of me blowing up (asked if he and his friends would get a good laugh), and also told him that all the open ended loans i had ever given to him were to be paid back.

as i said; i was angry, admittedly it was not the appropriate way to respond to the insult but the words are said. i feel bad/sorry for everyone else present... it was not directed at them. if i didn't explode at him i would not have ruined Christmas for my family... but then if i was not insulted this would not have happened.

*sigh.

i don't know what else to say.

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01 Jan 2010, 4:32 am

people...making the effort to get to know me?

Wait...are we in the same dimension, still? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:



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01 Jan 2010, 4:49 am

tektek wrote:
i tend to operate in absolutes, black and white, and find comfort in order... in saying that, i have been described as blunt and arrogant on a number of occasions... but never ret*d until recently, and that was my own brother. :-/

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tektek wrote:
my brother flew into the country on the 12th of December with his Fiancée and baby son for Christmas. i asked my older brother to leave (threw him out) last Monday afternoon (21st December) after an argument that started that morning.

the argument was about me not wanting to go to a catch up BBQ with his friend. the friend used to also be my friend until we had a shared birthday celebration around 18 months ago. i was made very uncomfortable by said friend and his friends. i will not elaborate though i will say that i do not like being the butt of jokes (there is a limit to my good humour) and i do not like my generosity or admittedly naive good nature being abused... or coming to the harsh realisation that this friend has been taking advantage of me, and making me a joke for some time.

so, my brother called me a f****** ret*d because i did not want to attend the BBQ. i don't like being called a f****** ret*d. i was pretty vocal in my response, i exploded at him. once in the morning, and then later in the day when he returned from his planned day out. he came in as if he had done nothing wrong, and wondered why there was no warm greeting from me. he repeated that i was indeed a ret*d and when asked he said that "yes" it felt good to insult me, he was also good enough to raise my AS and social anxiety in a not so positive light (f****** mental issues). i was made even more upset by this.

i may have over-reacted but i think i was in my right to do so... maybe a little bit anyway. i am tired of the s**t that is served up to me. i am 29; i am not someone that can be bullied, i am not someone that can be the butt of jokes, and i am not someone whose good nature can be abused. admittedly, i am naive to the ways of the world and too idealistic for my own good... but it does not mean that i can be milked for it - for the fact that i am not overly competent in detection of less-than-honourable intentions and agendas, and it would seem that i lack the cunning intelligence to have agendas of my own.

dear reader, you may sense that this blow up was not all about what occurred that day, unfortunately for all present it was probably about 20 odd years worth of frustration due to bullying... bullying in the home and at school.

as a child i was treated as a servant, as a teenager i was a lackey to be picked on (spotty, gangly, clumsy youth that i was), as a younger (though established on my career path) adult it would seem that i was a ready source of money to support him while he finished his study... and indeed, in retrospect, that my generosity is a fantastic convenience because i have some difficulty in saying no and in not being able to ask for loans to be repaid (:wall:)

i was quite angry. i told him that when he insults me like this it is difficult to know what to feel when i have always gone out of my way to help him - even when i was getting a foothold for myself and just starting out. i told him to get f****** a number of times, called him a c**t goodness knows how many times, asked him how much mileage he intended to get out of the story of me blowing up (asked if he and his friends would get a good laugh), and also told him that all the open ended loans i had ever given to him were to be paid back.

as i said; i was angry, admittedly it was not the appropriate way to respond to the insult but the words are said. i feel bad/sorry for everyone else present... it was not directed at them. if i didn't explode at him i would not have ruined Christmas for my family... but then if i was not insulted this would not have happened.

*sigh.

i don't know what else to say.

:?


I think in the above situation, you did the right thing. You are an adult in a democratic world. If you don't want to do something as non-consequential as going to a BBQ, good for you. I think the one with the bigger issues is your brother. A mature, adult will not unleash an unprovoked abusive attack on a sibling - period. This is more the case where a disablity is concerned. Your brother is very thoughtless, immature and inconsiderate of your feelings.

You mentioned that you have been treated as a lowly person earlier in life. I suggest that some people (eg your brother) have gotten a little used to that and that now you are showing more confidence and assertion, they are feeling threatened by you. If so - their problem. You have every right to expect others (especially your immediate family) to treat you and your handicap with decency and consideration. If they don't want to - they don't deserve to be a part of your life.

I am glad to read that you will not be bullied and you recognise that any form of abuse of you as an Autistic person is wrong. You brother and his friend (that you mentioned in your opening) are simply @$$holes. No one has the right to make a handicapped person feel lessened or to make fun of them. You may have caused some disharmony in the short term but I think you have made a powerful statement for the long term - that you will not take ill-treatment lying down.

Good for you!! !! !! !
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Good for you!! !! !! !
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Thanks AspiRob, that was a lot of good, objective advice packed into your response - i certainly appreciate your words :)

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01 Jan 2010, 11:35 am

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Are you often initially viewed as mentally challenged due to your style of speech and motor coordination?


Occasionaly. What people really see me as is a timid person who doesn't like them :roll:, a passive girl (rather than passive/agressive), or strange. I've been called "slow" by very impatient folks who can barely wait a millosecond, and I'm not exaggerateing. They don't allow other people to even think. They are in such a hurry to hear their reply that they interupt with a 'speak now' prompt. There is some young male Star bucks employee that keeps doing this to me, and I can't stand him.



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LiendaBalla wrote:
Horse wrote:
Are you often initially viewed as mentally challenged due to your style of speech and motor coordination?
They don't allow other people to even think. They are in such a hurry to hear their reply that they interupt with a 'speak now' prompt. There is some young male Star bucks employee that keeps doing this to me, and I can't stand him.


You should complain to his manager. When I go anywhere where I am spending money, I expect respect and consideration from those I am giving my money to.


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