I should force myself to smile and make facial expressions

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22 Jan 2010, 12:32 am

I know some of you are anti-facebook...but I kinda like it..it gives me an alternative way to communicate with people who I may see on a regular basis, but am unable to talk to very well.
Lately on my end, there has been a rash of "retro" avatars..so I jumped on the bandwagon...and uploaded a couple of pics from when I was a teenager, and one from when I was about 7...the one from when I was about 7 is my current avatar....I don't think it is a very flattering photo, but is pretty typical of photos from my childhood..I have very few where I don't look depressed, spacey and detached..I am pretty sure there was not a decent photo of me take between the ages of 6 and 14...in every pic, I am not smiling and looking away from the camera...and then when I got a little older, i started taking better pics.

I thought the childhood pic was shocking and that I look a lot different (better) now than i did back then, but I have received several comments that I still look this way all the time....I am a wee tad bummed by that.... :?



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22 Jan 2010, 12:37 am

I used to practice smiling in the mirror. It helps to know how to be an actor I think. Eventually, you come to believe what you want to be.


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22 Jan 2010, 12:49 am

I wouldn't try to force facial expressions. At least it turned badly for me. Sometime when I was younger I somehow got the idea that I was supposed to smile at anytime anyone said anything to me. This has lead to me smiling at completely wrong times, automatically.



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22 Jan 2010, 12:53 am

people are dazzled by my rare genuine smile I usually do a little lopsided Mona Lisa style smile. I had considered trying to join in on the nervous smile flashing to make others feel better on my first day of college. I decided it would just look menacing like a fear grimace, Hmmm I guess that really how I interpreted that ritual



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22 Jan 2010, 12:54 am

They probably don't mean that you don't smile, but that it looks just like you i.e the hair and face.
Forcing smiling for me looks so fake and my facial expressions are well, all over the place and happen randomly.


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22 Jan 2010, 1:04 am

ilivinamushroom wrote:
people are dazzled by my rare genuine smile I usually do a little lopsided Mona Lisa style smile. I had considered trying to join in on the nervous smile flashing to make others feel better on my first day of college. I decided it would just look menacing like a fear grimace, Hmmm I guess that really how I interpreted that ritual


Sorta like the way that dogs seem to smile when they are nervous...



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22 Jan 2010, 1:12 am

pensieve wrote:
They probably don't mean that you don't smile, but that it looks just like you i.e the hair and face.
Forcing smiling for me looks so fake and my facial expressions are well, all over the place and happen randomly.


Well, I know I don't smile a lot...the main comment was that the facial expression in the pic is the same one I wear today..which to me seems spooky and withdrawn...different from the photos I take of myself where I deliberately make a point to make some kind of facial expression...

I do not automatically make facial expressions when I am dealing with people....and so maybe I need to force myself to do something with my face.

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Here is the other one I uploaded from when I was about 17 or 18...this is just my blank neutral expression...but it looks sort of severe....

Now that I am a deal older...I am sure it must look even more severe....



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22 Jan 2010, 1:26 am

poopylungstuffing wrote:
ilivinamushroom wrote:
people are dazzled by my rare genuine smile I usually do a little lopsided Mona Lisa style smile. I had considered trying to join in on the nervous smile flashing to make others feel better on my first day of college. I decided it would just look menacing like a fear grimace, Hmmm I guess that really how I interpreted that ritual


Sorta like the way that dogs seem to smile when they are nervous...


I never thought of that; I know its a primal response to grin basically exposing your teeth when nervous you see this with other primates. And I understand your feelings about facial expressions I have mainly the same neutral expression but I realize that I can look intimidating when I do this or serene I wont post pics here but you are welcome to pm me and i will share. :hmph:



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22 Jan 2010, 1:51 am

ilivinamushroom wrote:
poopylungstuffing wrote:
ilivinamushroom wrote:
people are dazzled by my rare genuine smile I usually do a little lopsided Mona Lisa style smile. I had considered trying to join in on the nervous smile flashing to make others feel better on my first day of college. I decided it would just look menacing like a fear grimace, Hmmm I guess that really how I interpreted that ritual


Sorta like the way that dogs seem to smile when they are nervous...


I never thought of that; I know its a primal response to grin basically exposing your teeth when nervous you see this with other primates. And I understand your feelings about facial expressions I have mainly the same neutral expression but I realize that I can look intimidating when I do this or serene I wont post pics here but you are welcome to pm me and i will share. :hmph:


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22 Jan 2010, 4:00 am

I smile pretty much all the time when around people, even when sad and depressed, scared and angry. When I talk about painful things I smile. When I'm angry I smile worse than ever and I tend to laugh - which is so weird - and this makes it really hard for me to get anyone to take me seriously because I just laugh when I'm really angry.
I've had people ask me, "How can you smile when you talk about that?" people misinterpret that I'm so positive that I just keep smiling no matter what.
Sometimes I hate seeing people because when I come home my jaw muscles are so tense and painful from the smiling, like tonight. And many times when I'm smiling for long periods of time my face muscles get so tense that they start twitching and at that point my smile becomes more fake looking and I get so tired of smiling. :roll:



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22 Jan 2010, 4:43 am

dreaming_water wrote:
I smile pretty much all the time when around people, even when sad and depressed, scared and angry. When I talk about painful things I smile. When I'm angry I smile worse than ever and I tend to laugh - which is so weird - and this makes it really hard for me to get anyone to take me seriously because I just laugh when I'm really angry.
I've had people ask me, "How can you smile when you talk about that?" people misinterpret that I'm so positive that I just keep smiling no matter what.
Sometimes I hate seeing people because when I come home my jaw muscles are so tense and painful from the smiling, like tonight. And many times when I'm smiling for long periods of time my face muscles get so tense that they start twitching and at that point my smile becomes more fake looking and I get so tired of smiling. :roll:


wow... why do you smile so much?



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22 Jan 2010, 5:39 am

It hurts when I force myself to smile.


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22 Jan 2010, 5:41 am

poopylungstuffing wrote:

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wow... why do you smile so much?


I figured out pretty early on that smiling means people are more likely to be happy with one, but there is a flaw with that rule, like I've experienced over and over again - sometimes you can smile at the wrong time...
I don't know how to explain it very well other than that. Sorry :hmph:



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22 Jan 2010, 6:45 am

Poopy, I think your new avatar is lovely and also the one of you as a teenager. I was going to say so when you first changed it but didn't get around to it. I've never been averse to solemn faces. I am terribly deadpan. There is a grocery store I'm uncomfortable going into anymore because one of the cashiers visibly dislikes me. It took me a while to figure it out. Once I was behind a woman using WIC and she had to go back and get something. I made the comment about WIC that everything had to be exactly like the check stated or the register wouldn't take it. That's what I meant but I think because of my non-smiling demeanor and low voice I think she thought I was passing judgment on the woman. I used WIC myself. Anyway it took me a long time to figure out she hated me when I went in afterwords. Once when I was leaving she said " Have a blessed day"(she says it to everybody). I said "Thank you" and she got this mean expression and said "WHAT? :evil:" I think she thought I said "f**k you. I'm surprised I don't have more trouble. Sometimes I think I'm smiling and I look in the mirror and I'm not. If I make a visible smile I feel like I'm grimacing.


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22 Jan 2010, 10:54 am

I find i have to exaggerate my facial expressions for them to be noticeable.


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22 Jan 2010, 11:08 am

CockneyRebel wrote:
It hurts when I force myself to smile.


I'm right there with you, once as a kid I had a really fun birthday party and I smiled a lot my face hurt for days.