NTs need social activity to stay physically healthy?

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chaotik_lord
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20 Feb 2010, 1:06 am

From a Yahoo article (though, while not doubting their veracity, I do question their sourcematerial and message . . .)

http://health.yahoo.com/featured/82/pro ... every-age/

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It's important to stay connected to friends and family for the sake of your mood and heart. Research at the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine found that high levels of loneliness increase a woman's risk of heart disease by 76 percent. On the flip side, having strong social support can help lower your blood pressure and improve other cardiovascular functions. Set aside time once or twice a week to call friends, or make a monthly dinner date.



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20 Feb 2010, 2:12 am

Pfft, I have none of that stuff and I am doing fine.



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20 Feb 2010, 2:16 am

I don't think it's unreasonable that loneliness could cause a higher risk of heart disease. The key word is loneliness, as opposed to being alone. If you're lonely, you want to be with people which means you're stressed, which I understand leads to a greater risk of heart disease. Likewise I imagine being happy with social interactions can improve this. Don't take my word for anything though, my medical knowledge doesn't stretch much further than what I get from E.R.



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20 Feb 2010, 2:16 am

just wait a week it will change, thats what happens to all college studies today this bad for you, tommorrow in moderation its good. the only consistant opinion ive heard from college scientists are beer pong rules



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20 Feb 2010, 2:46 am

This article applies to all people, not just NT's, aspies are not immune to physical degradation from sitting on our asses all day



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20 Feb 2010, 2:54 am

The conclusion drawn up here is rather silly. I'd say its much more likely that lonely people tend to lead less active lives and thus are less healthy. The socializing in and of itself surely can't make you that much more healthy.


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20 Feb 2010, 3:13 am

Michael_Stuart wrote:
I don't think it's unreasonable that loneliness could cause a higher risk of heart disease. The key word is loneliness, as opposed to being alone. If you're lonely, you want to be with people which means you're stressed, which I understand leads to a greater risk of heart disease. Likewise I imagine being happy with social interactions can improve this. Don't take my word for anything though, my medical knowledge doesn't stretch much further than what I get from E.R.


I thing you've nailed it down. There really is a very fine line between good health and bad health, and having someone special, (family, friend, lover) can give you a little bit of an emotional edge to make the difference.

I have read articles that came to the same conclusion with mice. A group of mice were given the same amount of poison, and half were placed into cages alone, while the other half of the group were placed into cages with another mice. Most of the single mice died, and very few of the mice that were housed together died, and many of them made speedy recoveries.

I think people with autism lack a certain "self" to themselves and are therefore able to self stimulate, while NTs need another person to stimulate or motivate them. NTs have a hard time gaining self interest from within.

I think that when Auspies stim, they are fulfilling a need that most NTs need a close partner to fill. It makes you wonder, who is lacking, and who is really self sufficient!



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20 Feb 2010, 5:17 am

There was also research that said using the Internet too much makes you depressed. When my mum mentioned it to me, I told her it was crap, because I spend most of my time online and am happy and fairly healthy too (I haven't got massive muscles but I'm not fat either :P). She said it's OK for me because I don't need the social interaction, which seems to suggest that NTs do need social interaction to be happy.

Though, let's face it, this is hardly new information.



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20 Feb 2010, 6:48 am

A lot of articles are not interesting to me because they are not applicable to me.
Such as at school, there was an article we had to read and answer questions about.
It was about how people judge a person largely based on body language.
Which is never applicable to me because I can only consciously think about a person's body language and what that might mean, I can hardly judge a person by it.



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20 Feb 2010, 6:51 am

I won't comment on this.



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20 Feb 2010, 9:05 am

League_Girl wrote:
Pfft, I have none of that stuff and I am doing fine.

Seriously, thats just because we are still at a very young age. Of course, I'm not suggesting that I agree with the quote. (Yes, I remember how old Spokane_Girl was)



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20 Feb 2010, 9:38 am

You know its funny, a lot the time stimming is healthy exercise. Yet you will be made fun of profusely if you do. Meanwhile regular joes working out looks totally ridiculous, especially if they are on a treadmill, but its ok for them because its legitimate silliness. I myself would like to socialize more, but it can be pretty difficult.



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20 Feb 2010, 8:13 pm

pascalflower wrote:
Michael_Stuart wrote:
I don't think it's unreasonable that loneliness could cause a higher risk of heart disease. The key word is loneliness, as opposed to being alone. If you're lonely, you want to be with people which means you're stressed, which I understand leads to a greater risk of heart disease. Likewise I imagine being happy with social interactions can improve this. Don't take my word for anything though, my medical knowledge doesn't stretch much further than what I get from E.R.


I thing you've nailed it down. There really is a very fine line between good health and bad health, and having someone special, (family, friend, lover) can give you a little bit of an emotional edge to make the difference.

I have read articles that came to the same conclusion with mice. A group of mice were given the same amount of poison, and half were placed into cages alone, while the other half of the group were placed into cages with another mice. Most of the single mice died, and very few of the mice that were housed together died, and many of them made speedy recoveries.

I think people with autism lack a certain "self" to themselves and are therefore able to self stimulate, while NTs need another person to stimulate or motivate them. NTs have a hard time gaining self interest from within.

I think that when Auspies stim, they are fulfilling a need that most NTs need a close partner to fill. It makes you wonder, who is lacking, and who is really self sufficient!


No, I dont buy this argument. You made a bait and switch in the middle of the argument - if you were comparing Autistic people to AUTISTIC genetically-engineered mice, then maybe ...

but not when you are comparing Autistic people to "normal" mice.

Get the point ?

As I see it, the first link may be true, but the stress for the neurotypical is thusly:

1.) Neurotypicals have a dopamine addiction to social interaction within social rules and cues, such that they need to constantly feed their neurotype addition just like a heroin or cocaine user;

2.) Therefore, like Vampires, the neurotypicals MUST not be alone without a ready supply to feed their social addition, thusly, the neurotypical cannot be "alone" - i.e., without another with which to exercise the co-dependency social interations needed to feed the neurotypical dopamine social addiction;

3.) Therefore, to the neurotypical, "alone" is the same as "lonely" - both meaning the lack of a co-dependent 'other' with whom to socially interact within the social rules and cues that feed the social addition;

4.) When the neurotypical is "alone" a/k/a "lonely," this causes addiction withdrawal, and thusly stress develops in the neurotypical, leading to physical damage.

Whereas, the Autistic neurology does not have the social addiction features, and hence being "alone" to calm our oversensory neurology is not stress-producting for us. Therefore, for Autistics, there is a material difference between being "alone" and "lonely," because only the latter produces stress, whereas the former does not.

I'm just sayin' ...



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22 Feb 2010, 10:58 am

Shadwell wrote:
You know its funny, a lot the time stimming is healthy exercise. Yet you will be made fun of profusely if you do. Meanwhile regular joes working out looks totally ridiculous, especially if they are on a treadmill, but its ok for them because its legitimate silliness. I myself would like to socialize more, but it can be pretty difficult.


Stimming as exercise? Some would have to be stimming really hard! Maybe they can start an aerobics studio for aspies.



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22 Feb 2010, 11:15 am

Just about every time I've seen an article like this, they've taken something with a slight correlation and turned it into "thing 1 causes/leads to thing 2" without bothering to investigate if one actually does cause the other, even when several more plausible causes are obvious. In this one, it's "social activity leads to better health" instead of "a person who is less social is less likely to go out and do stuff, which means they are less likely to be active and more likely to overeat (I eat when I get bored)".


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22 Feb 2010, 5:53 pm

Social interaction makes me moody and increases my heartbeat.


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