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Ferdinand
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01 Mar 2010, 4:19 pm

How annoying would this be? They say 16-year-olds are too immature to drive, yet I feel as we have asperges, perhaps we are different. I guess the minority can still be punished for what the majority does, but still, they should at least let us drive.



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01 Mar 2010, 4:25 pm

The driving age in New York City is 18.

In my opinion, most people shouldn't be allowed to drive at all, at any age. It should be left to enthusiasts and professionals.



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01 Mar 2010, 4:37 pm

Not annoying. I was still in school and living at home so driving didn't matter to me. I didn't drive much when I was 15 and 16. But I drove more when I was 17 and it was just easier for my parents because they didn't have to take me to my appointments anymore or to school or to softball open gym.

But raising it to 18, that might make it harder for the parents because then they'd have to wait longer till their kids can drive so they wouldn't have to take them to places anymore such as to work, school, practice, picking them up from it, taking them to a friend's house, appointments, etc.

I have never seen anyone say 16 is too young to drive but I heard about how California was talking about raising it to 18 because there are so many people and they figure 18 be mature enough to drive.



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01 Mar 2010, 4:39 pm

They wanted move driving age in PL to 21 :D
But it's still 18.

And yes, people are immature. 16 is stupid age.

I think that people who fail exam many times (I must think how many) shouldn't drive at all. There are people who take exam 20 times or sth - stupid. Many fails are sign sb's not good enough and should use public transport.


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01 Mar 2010, 4:41 pm

I was always a mature driver. I have made a few mistakes such as driving in the snow too fast and sliding into the barb wire fence almost and sliding on the gravel when I put on the breaks.



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01 Mar 2010, 4:44 pm

The United States was historically one of the more rural countries in the world. 50 years ago it was common in rural areas (farms) for kids to drive at 9, 10 years old for work. Sometimes change doesn't happen quickly :)



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01 Mar 2010, 4:58 pm

MyFutureSelfnMe wrote:
The United States was historically one of the more rural countries in the world. 50 years ago it was common in rural areas (farms) for kids to drive at 9, 10 years old for work. Sometimes change doesn't happen quickly :)



Actually, in most rural areas of the US, you can still get a hardship license well before 16. I don't know the cutoff age, but I think it may be as young as 12. Of course, kids who have grown up helping support their families tend to mature earlier emotionally, and there isn't as much traffic on the back roads - but there's plenty more room to practice.

I don't think 16 is necessarily too young to drive, it depends on the individual how responsible and safety conscious they can be. I do rankle at the practice of well-to-do parents giving teenagers their own cars. Humans rarely take care of a possession they didn't have to work for.

As for failing the test, I had to take it three times to pass and I've had only 1 moving violation ticket per decade for 40 years. It was parallel-parking that damned station wagon that kept screwing me up. :wink:



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01 Mar 2010, 4:59 pm

Well, the whole blanket age system is flawed. I've trouble coming up with a better system, though...

I consider myself a fairly responsible person. Yet, I can't purchase alcohol until exactly 365 days have passed from today, which makes me magically qualified to purchase alcohol. 'tis crazy, when you think about it. But there's a majority to think of and a case-by-case basis system is too much work...Such is reality.



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01 Mar 2010, 5:07 pm

My Friend who is 16 years old, drove me home from school one night. I was COMPLETELY on edge because of how young she is. I know I am just a year older, but it was surreal...
I felt a bit weird about the situation....



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01 Mar 2010, 5:07 pm

None of the US states have a serious driver test. It's more like a placeholder to look like they care about safety, while giving as many people as possible a license to avoid losing votes. This is why I despise politics and sometimes fantasize about running the show so I could have everybody's head on a silver platter. The US has 44,000 deaths per year in traffic accidents, and 44,000 of them are preventable.

I get a few moving violations per year, historically they were virtually all for speeding (outside NYC, in the city you have to be driving like Steve McQueen on crack to get a ticket) but I've had a few 'unsafe lane change' and other BS. The closest thing I ever had to an accident was many years ago. I have a lawyer and about 75% of my violations are thrown out, depending on jurisdiction.

If the driver test was *serious*, it would be difficult for a very young person to pass it, and that would compensate for the need for an age cutoff.



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01 Mar 2010, 5:11 pm

MyFutureSelfnMe wrote:
The United States was historically one of the more rural countries in the world. 50 years ago it was common in rural areas (farms) for kids to drive at 9, 10 years old for work. Sometimes change doesn't happen quickly :)



Back in the old days, kids young as 12 drove. But things keep changing. Maybe in the future there be no more teens driving because there be more people.

When I lived in Montana, one of my brother's friends drove a dirt bike and he was in middle school. But he drove it out in the country on the back roads to our house and back.



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01 Mar 2010, 5:41 pm

MyFutureSelfnMe wrote:
None of the US states have a serious driver test. It's more like a placeholder to look like they care about safety, while giving as many people as possible a license to avoid losing votes. This is why I despise politics and sometimes fantasize about running the show so I could have everybody's head on a silver platter. The US has 44,000 deaths per year in traffic accidents, and 44,000 of them are preventable.

I get a few moving violations per year, historically they were virtually all for speeding (outside NYC, in the city you have to be driving like Steve McQueen on crack to get a ticket) but I've had a few 'unsafe lane change' and other BS. The closest thing I ever had to an accident was many years ago. I have a lawyer and about 75% of my violations are thrown out, depending on jurisdiction.

If the driver test was *serious*, it would be difficult for a very young person to pass it, and that would compensate for the need for an age cutoff.


I definitely agree with you. If a person, regardless of age, can pass a driver's test (both practice and theory), then either they are perfectly qualified to drive as any other or there's something wrong with the test.



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01 Mar 2010, 6:36 pm

Fine by me.


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01 Mar 2010, 6:56 pm

Ferdinand wrote:
How annoying would this be?


Not annoying to me, I take public transport most places and plan things around that. If I had more money I'd use taxis more. Also see my location, I do not live in an outer ring suburb

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I guess the minority can still be punished for what the majority does, but still, they should at least let us drive.


That's why I oppose any such raising of age of majority of laws. I'd prefer abolishing them altogether but oh well..

Willard wrote:
I do rankle at the practice of well-to-do parents giving teenagers their own cars. Humans rarely take care of a possession they didn't have to work for.


I doubt this,

EDIT: I do not drive a lot because I don't think I can pay attention for extended periods of times around me in urban environments. Rural areas, less of a problem but in hilly rural areas oh s**t [people who drive like 'madmen' in rural areas who might crash into each other or something]


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01 Mar 2010, 7:28 pm

It's those senile old buzzards behind the wheel that scare the hell out of me, not 16 and 17 year olds.
You'll know what I mean when your in the southbound lane and one of them comes careening northbound in the same lane!



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02 Mar 2010, 9:28 am

I'm not really sure what the question, etc. was, but I do think it's best if driving ages were 18 instead of 16. There would be far less accidents that way. I don't know if maybe the laws have changed in other places, but here in the US, in Ohio, the legal driving age is still 16, even though I don't think it should be. (Unless it's changed, & I just never heard about it.)


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