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09 Mar 2010, 11:07 pm

I took every test and im always below AS numbers, i dont know what to beleive, tho i dont beleive online tests what do u think?! !! like one i answered more autisticly and got a AS answer but ---- im confused



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09 Mar 2010, 11:10 pm

Try taking a mental examination. Or simplly speaking with a psychiatrist.



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09 Mar 2010, 11:15 pm

That's because your answers are subjective, you need a professional to assess you.
There's no shame in not having it, and I'm sure you don't feel any shame about that.
If you do want to know what you have instead of AS a professional can try to diagnose you.


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09 Mar 2010, 11:37 pm

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I took every test and im always below AS numbers, i dont know what to beleive, tho i dont beleive online tests what do u think?! !! like one i answered more autisticly and got a AS answer but ---- im confused


Imagine my amusement when my clinical psychologist brought out every on line test I have taken as part of my official diagnosis criteria. Just answer honestly.

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10 Mar 2010, 12:10 am

It could be that you just don't understand the questions the way that they're intended. Some of them could be interpreted multiple ways, I noticed.
I know Tim_Tex got a very low score on the aspie quiz, yet he is officially diagnosed. So I would say talk to someone who will give an objective assessment, rather than struggling with all these questions yourself.



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10 Mar 2010, 12:27 am

Most online tests - and some mainstream standardized tests - are problematic in two ways.

First, you can generally skew the results as you wish - some peple I know regularly do. I mean to say, how hard is it to answrfr FALSE to "I am controlled by a secret radio from God" [actual item from an official Psych test I took many moons back, even if you ARE controlled by that secret radio?

Second, a lot of the mental / personality ones are worded with so much ambiguity that anyone with literal minded tendencies has a hard time deciding what is the meaning. I can take the same test three times running and read the questions differently each time. How would I answer "I do not maintain eye contact enough?" I think they WANT YES to describe me. But as it is worded, it is no - I make eye contact far more than I am comfortable with.

They can be okay as first indicators. But if an official answer matters to you, youll need to go elsewhere.



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10 Mar 2010, 12:55 am

Uh, what do you mean by "failed"? Because that could be interpreted either way--you failed to score AS, or you failed to score NT.

Multiple tests pointing one way should be a decent indication that this could be the correct direction. But they are online tests. False positives and false negatives are common. Like any screening test, they are not very accurate; they only point out cases that should be subjected to further analysis.

How to decide if you need a diagnosis:
1. Do you have significant problems in your daily life that most other people don't seem to have?
2. Are these problems caused by your own lack of skill in some area, as opposed to unlucky circumstances? (If it's circumstances, that'd be the province of a social worker, not a psychologist.)
3. Do you need help to solve these problems? I.e., have you tried on your own and been unable to solve them?

If you answer yes to these, then you should go find yourself a psychologist or neuropsych. It doesn't matter what you actually have, because whatever it is, it would require assistance.

If, on the other hand, you are answering "no" to any one of these questions, then the question of whether you have AS is basically a question of, "Do I have a borderline or sub-clinical version of AS?" Because, if you do not need help and do not have significant problems, then either your environment is absolutely perfect for you, or else you don't have a diagnosable condition. In the first case, self-diagnosis makes sense; in the second case, the best you can do is say "I have autistic traits" and leave it at that.


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10 Mar 2010, 2:05 am

The tests are a joke because if your smart enough to know what they want you to answer you can answer them how you wish. The thing is as you get older you tend to gain more social skills or learn how to compensate and fake it. A lot of the questions are aimed at younger people so if I was 18 and answering yes totally AS at my age not as much. However try and answer them honestly and see what the results are. If your not AS then your not AS.



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10 Mar 2010, 4:15 am

crownarmourer wrote:
The tests are a joke because if your smart enough to know what they want you to answer you can answer them how you wish.


I would suggest that if you approach a test with the attitude that "I'm going to answer in a particular way", that's a very good indicator that you do not have whatever it is that the test is for. 8)


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10 Mar 2010, 8:48 am

FakeAlias wrote:
I took every test and im always below AS numbers, i dont know what to beleive, tho i dont beleive online tests what do u think?! !! like one i answered more autisticly and got a AS answer but ---- im confused


The online tests (especially the Baron-Cohen ones) on this page http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt113459.html are very similar to or identical to the tests a psychologist would use when diagnosing Asperger's syndrome. They would also use information about behaviour and interactions during childhood development.

Nobody "fails" these tests. If you do not score within the autistic range, then it most likely means that you are not autistic. It sounds like you want to be autistic, because it would be an answer, but the wrong answer is worse than no answer. A psychological assessment might help you determine what, if any, conditions are having an impact on your quality of life.



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10 Mar 2010, 10:54 am

I think that "failure" here just means scoring below the AS threshold.

I agree that a professional diagnostician would begin with screening tests just like the AQ test (in fact mine was exactly that), and would probably strongly recommend that a client who scored below the threshold shouldn't proceed with further tests. Though a private diagnostician might be prepared to continue if the client insisted. The UK National Health service would probably just declare you not to be an Aspie and refuse to "waste" any more resources on the matter. But I can see the logic in wanting to have the whole test.........it would be more rigorous because they'd look at what other people said about you, and they'd be watching your behaviour directly too. And they might notice some other condition that you do have.

Still, if you consistently score well below the threshold on the online tests, it presumably means that you don't have the key features of AS, which makes me wonder why you still think you have the syndrome. I guess you must feel that there's something "wrong" with you?



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10 Mar 2010, 11:12 am

The evaluating psychologist asked me to fill out some of these tests as part of the first screening and then went through the EQ-test with me to discuss and analyze my answers, partly to determine that I got the right score, but also as a way of getting more insight into what my problems consisted of. I was so self conscious about whether I had filled out the questionnaires "correctly" since the answers seemed ambiguous to me. It's a great relief to know the diagnosis isn't based on those answers, then I'd have even more doubts about the validity of my diagnosis.

tangent- At this point I doubt it because I'm afraid of it not being accurate. I have been reliving so many painful humiliating memories and if the diagnosis couldn't account for them I'd be worse of than before the process even began. So I know what it feels like to "want" the diagnosis. I wish I could be 100% certain I have AS, but because I manage to function pretty well (at least superficially) and I've always been told by my mother to "get over myself", I still have that nagging thought that it's really all in my head (which of course it is either way :wink: )

Anyhow, I actually think this obsessive doubting and re-analyzing of the diagnosis is in fact a pretty strong indicator of AS in itself, haha, full circle.



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10 Mar 2010, 11:39 am

LipstickKiller wrote:
Anyhow, I actually think this obsessive doubting and re-analyzing of the diagnosis is in fact a pretty strong indicator of AS in itself, haha, full circle.

Yep.....we often love things to be clear-cut, while our syndrome can never be that.



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10 Mar 2010, 11:49 am

I come out slightly below the threshold of AS on all the online tests. I don't come here often because of that, but I have an interest in AS and like to read about it.

Maybe you are sub-clinical. I found out some laypeople think I have AS, but the truth is that the psych people tell me that I have traits, but it doesn't handicap my life and I don't need to get a dx, it would waste my time.

My issues, I still don't have an answer for, but oh well.


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10 Mar 2010, 11:52 am

ToughDiamond wrote:
I think that "failure" here just means scoring below the AS threshold.

I agree that a professional diagnostician would begin with screening tests just like the AQ test (in fact mine was exactly that), and would probably strongly recommend that a client who scored below the threshold shouldn't proceed with further tests. Though a private diagnostician might be prepared to continue if the client insisted. The UK National Health service would probably just declare you not to be an Aspie and refuse to "waste" any more resources on the matter. But I can see the logic in wanting to have the whole test.........it would be more rigorous because they'd look at what other people said about you, and they'd be watching your behaviour directly too. And they might notice some other condition that you do have.

Still, if you consistently score well below the threshold on the online tests, it presumably means that you don't have the key features of AS, which makes me wonder why you still think you have the syndrome. I guess you must feel that there's something "wrong" with you?


I scored 29 on the AQ test, so I guess in the UK I'm "normal." Woo hoo!! In all seriousness, I felt that some of the questions were difficult to understand or know if I was answering them correctly, so I can understand how having a professional discuss the questions with you and elaborate on them would help.



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10 Mar 2010, 12:10 pm

Could be that the Aspie-Quiz might give you an interesting profile - they break that one down into a number of different areas......maybe there's just one or two areas where you have Aspie traits while the rest are "normal?" But if your main problem is that the questions are hard to answer accurately, then you'd still need somebody to help you answer them.

I think I know what you mean about the questions - they do seem ridiculously glib somehow, and I tended to feel very uncertain about a lot of my answers. But the professional diagnosis involved me writing long answers to questions rather than the hideously reductionist box-ticking thing, and there I at last felt that I was able to tell it like it really was. To my analytical mind, short answers are nearly always distortions of the truth.