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ToughDiamond
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29 Mar 2010, 5:16 am

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If a person were the son of God and had performed miracles, isn't it likely that there would be hundreds first-hand accountings of the existence of Jesus? Or at least several? And some that would still exist and be used by the church as evidence?

I've read that every "miracle" recorded in the New Testament was also a common conjuring trick performed by charlatans at the time - water into wine, healing the sick, etc. Which seems to point towards Jesus being just another illusionist. Perhaps the ideas we have about him now are rather like our ideas of Robin Hood.......he seems to be based on an amalgamation of a number of outlaws, and has had various additional features bolted onto his story, so he became the icon of a set of abstract ideas and values......to argue about whether or not he existed is missing the point - it's the allegorical truth of the ideas embodied in the icon that are the important thing.



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29 Mar 2010, 8:24 am

ToughDiamond wrote:
matt wrote:
If a person were the son of God and had performed miracles, isn't it likely that there would be hundreds first-hand accountings of the existence of Jesus? Or at least several? And some that would still exist and be used by the church as evidence?

I've read that every "miracle" recorded in the New Testament was also a common conjuring trick performed by charlatans at the time - water into wine, healing the sick, etc. Which seems to point towards Jesus being just another illusionist. Perhaps the ideas we have about him now are rather like our ideas of Robin Hood.......he seems to be based on an amalgamation of a number of outlaws, and has had various additional features bolted onto his story, so he became the icon of a set of abstract ideas and values......to argue about whether or not he existed is missing the point - it's the allegorical truth of the ideas embodied in the icon that are the important thing.


I agree, because the cycle of the 'death' of the year and the 'rebirth' is almost global. Of course all that seasonal philosophy is useless in the tropics on the equator because of the 18 month seasonal cycle rather than the 12 month in the temperate zones.


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30 Mar 2010, 5:23 am

spacecadetdave wrote:
jametto wrote:
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EL60 wrote:
the lord jesus christ repects anyone of us and his eyes we are still normal people like everybody else


Good thing you were here to speak for him.


Haha.

God hates autistics. That's because most of us have gluten intolerance/allergy, meaning we can't eat bread/the body of Christ.
That means no communion for Ceoliacs or Autistics!


No he didn't.

Gluten intolerence. Another condition that didn;t exist before the 1990s. Unless you can point out which bible character couldn;t hold down a bread roll I will refuse to accept this.


What the hell are you on about? What the hell does this have to do with bible characters?
There are people living today that we know "can't hold down a bread roll" so accepting it isn't an option. That's like refusing to believe water exists.