"Theory of autism"--why Asperger's had to go
Let me preface this by saying, yes, I know I'm making a lot of assumptions here. I welcome all criticism, feedback, refinement, tweaking, etc.
Asperger's generally describes significant dysfunction, disorder, or abnormality (hereafter referred to as "DDA") of the right hemisphere.
What I will call "classic" autism generally describes significant DDA of the left hemisphere (or both hemispheres).
Autism, in a general sense represented by the "autism spectrum", unites Asperger's and "classic" autism, describing significant dysfunction, disorder, or abnormality of the brain, period.
The headlines read: Asperger's no longer a valid diagnosis--but the truth of the matter is, the notion of "classic" autism has also been abandoned--both have been absorbed into the broader notion of autism, although the abandoning of the concept of "classic" autism has been virtually imperceptible, because the term "autism" itself has not been abandoned. Rather, it is now meant to be used in the broader sense only.
The reason that the diagnoses of Asperger's and "classic" autism had to go is that, while they are generally representative of (and are generally understood to represent) DDA in the right and left hemispheres respectively, they are not universally representative--mainly due to the fact that Asperger's, "classic" autism, and autism in the general sense are diagnosed from a behavioral perspective. The brain, and specifically the roles and interaction of the two hemispheres, are so complicated and vary so much between individuals that DDA in the left hemisphere (or both hemispheres) can result in behavior typical of Asperger's, while DDA in the right hemisphere can result in behavior typical of "classic" autism. Further complicating the issue is the fact that any "flavor" of autism can be associated with DDA in the connectivity between hemispheres. Further complicating the issue is the fact that DDA in either hemisphere can exist without the typical behavioral manifestations.
So, while the concepts of Asperger's and "classic" autism are useful, they lose effectiveness and even relevance when applied to individuals as diagnoses--when a doctor diagnoses his patient with Asperger's, all he's really saying is, "Your behavior is consistent with the general clinical picture of DDA in the right hemisphere." In reality, the patient could very well have DDA elsewhere in their brain. So the diagnosis of Asperger's is useless, except that it indicates DDA somewhere in the brain. Likewise, the diagnosis of "classic" autism is useless, except that it indicates DDA somewhere in the brain. Because these two diagnoses share a common utility beyond which they have no real function, it only makes sense to fold them both into the general concept of autism represented by the "autism spectrum"--DDA of the brain, period. That's all you can say about DDA of the brain when assessing it from a purely behavioral point of view--you can only say that DDA is present somewhere in the brain. You cannot say with absolute certainty which area or areas of the brain is/are involved.
This is why the association between Asperger's and DDA of the right hemisphere tends to be acknowledged tacitly and even downplayed. It's just not sufficiently reliable on a case-by-case basis.
Think about Nonverbal Learning Disorder. It is much more readily and openly associated with DDA of the right hemisphere, but that is only so because NLD is NOT diagnosed from the relatively narrow, purely behavioral point of view that autism is. Simply put, the diagnosis of NLD involves a bit more "detective work" in regards to ascertaining the physical location of DDA in the brain.
Of course, this whole matter of correlating specific behaviors with DDA in a specific part of the brain is complicated endlessly by the fact that autism is diagnosed in some individuals whose brains, after a CAT scan (or something similar) is performed, are found to be physically rather normal-looking. This fact highlights our still rather crude understanding of neural functionality. In these cases, it is assumed that we simply can't recognize the DDA, not that it isn't there.
Am I on to something here, or is this all just a misguided product of my brain DDA?
PS) Depending on your philosophical point of view, you may feel free to replace "DDA" with the term of your choice.
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Asperger's generally describes significant dysfunction, disorder, or abnormality (hereafter referred to as "DDA") of the right hemisphere.
What I will call "classic" autism generally describes significant DDA of the left hemisphere (or both hemispheres).
I have seen no empirical research confirming that, but for the sake of argument, if that's correct, then they are two completely different disorders and should never be classified as parts of a 'spectrum', which isn't even a valid scientific classification. The whole notion of an 'Autism Spectrum' is pure voodoo. Just because two neurological disorders have several symptoms that cross over each other, that does not make the disorders or their causes identical, and it's ridiculous to lump them together.
There are several different types of Cancer and I have never seen anyone make the ludicrous suggestion that they should just all be grouped as a 'Cancer Spectrum' and treated by identical methods. It's irrational and unscientific.
Asperger's generally describes significant dysfunction, disorder, or abnormality (hereafter referred to as "DDA") of the right hemisphere.
What I will call "classic" autism generally describes significant DDA of the left hemisphere (or both hemispheres).
I have seen no empirical research confirming that, but for the sake of argument, if that's correct, then they are two completely different disorders and should never be classified as parts of a 'spectrum', which isn't even a valid scientific classification. The whole notion of an 'Autism Spectrum' is pure voodoo. Just because two neurological disorders have several symptoms that cross over each other, that does not make the disorders or their causes identical, and it's ridiculous to lump them together.
There are several different types of Cancer and I have never seen anyone make the ludicrous suggestion that they should just all be grouped as a 'Cancer Spectrum' and treated by identical methods. It's irrational and unscientific.
Quoted because it should be quoted. I have nothing more to add.
I agree that this left-brain vs. right-brain discussion is probably way off base. Does anyone have any link to something credible suggesting that?
The autism spectrum is not voodoo. Autism and all the related disorders are considered syndromes, meaning that a cluster of related symptoms occur to varying degrees among different autistic people. The only diagnostic difference between classic autism and AS is that aspies develop language at around the normal time. Aspies are also much more likely to have classically autistic relatives, indicating that there is a common genetic basis. The two things are one and the same, pure and simple.
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There are several different types of Cancer and I have never seen anyone make the ludicrous suggestion that they should just all be grouped as a 'Cancer Spectrum' and treated by identical methods. It's irrational and unscientific.
Asperger's and "classic" autism each results in impaired/restricted socialization and repetitive/restricted behavior, which is precisely what the "autism spectrum" describes. I did not imply that all individuals on the autism spectrum should receive the same "treatment"--which, of course, should be determined on a case-by-case basis.
You subvert your own logic by implying that all individuals who have Asperger's (or "classic" autism) might receive the same treatment.
I agree that this left-brain vs. right-brain discussion is probably way off base. Does anyone have any link to something credible suggesting that?
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en ... a=N&tab=ws
I have to assume that you folks haven't read much about this stuff.
Right vs. left brain thinking is often used to justify many self-help books and homeopathic therapies that provide people with false hope. In general, many people do not take it seriously for the way that the original study (back in the 80's) has been misused and abused. Either way, I found your post confusing, but just saying, some people may not take you serious and you should really provide some sources when you attempt to make profound statements.
If there was no such thing as a spectrum then there would be 30000 members on WP who display more or less the same behavioral and psychological symptoms yet with varying differences and severities so they would all have different "disorders" because without a spectrum there is rigid categories. This would be ridiculous. "Science" does not even know what the primary symptom of AS is to explain behavior - is it sensory, a lack of innate social skills, a global/local processing disorder, right vs. left thinking, rigid thinking, an inability to read non-verbal communication, a lack of expressive capacity, a lack of empathy? There have been numerous studies on what the difference between AS and HFA (and they can be summed up with one word) and what disorders should be on the spectrum (like rhett's, fragile x - which is probably what you should be looking at due to the genetic/chromosomal nature of both).
Thanks for that link - I was totally unaware of the right vs left brain hypothesis with Asperger's and "Kanner's" syndromes. My (self-)obsession with ASDs is fairly new.
That suggested the obvious follow-up (autism left hemisphere):
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en ... =&as_vis=0
which led to me reading the first page of a journal article about handedness and autism. That brought back memories of my "Psychology I" course in 1973, when our first essay was writing about the causes of handedness.
Yay - nostalgia AND learning something new!
It wasn't really supposed to be profound--just accurate.
In general, popular/scientific ideas regarding brain lateralization are valid, but, as you say, you can't just take that fact and run wild with it, as many unscrupulous people have. Unfortunately, they provide more than ample fodder for those who would like to deny broadly accepted ideas about brain lateralization outright.
Reality, as usual, is somewhere in the middle--right hemisphere/left hemisphere "stereotypes" have more than a grain of truth to them, but that truth cannot be ascertained to the degree that some people claim.
Just one additional thought.
This discussion focuses on behavioural versus neurological differences between (classic) autism and Asperger's syndrome. But what about the genetic aspect? Simon Baron-Cohen expressed his dissatisfaction with merging AS and autism into a single ASD partly on the ground that they may turn out to have different genetic bases.
But they are diagnosed behaviorally, that's the whole point. As I said, DDA in ANY section of the brain can result in behavior that can lead to an Asperger's diagnosis. The inability of the Asperger's diagnosis to accurately predict the location of DDA in the brain means that it's not a simple matter of Asperger's having a specific, absolute genetic basis, and "classic" autism having another.
In other words, Asperger's itself describes a "spectrum". It does not describe a specific illness or condition the way that, for example, HIV does. It does describe DDA in the right hemisphere, but only generally.
http://www.lookingupautism.org/Articles ... ignal.html
Brain activity also follows a stereotyped pattern. A study by Dr Montague and his colleagues. published in 2006, imaged the brains of both the investor and the trustee as they played the game. The researchers discovered a specific signal in the cingulate cortex, part of the brain that integrates information from both the cortex and the body, that was detected only when the investor thought about how much money to give the trustee. A second signal was seen only when the investor received his or her return from the trustee. "We see a 'self, other, self, other' pattern," says Dr Montague, director of the Human Neuroimaging Lab at Baylor. "We think that's an unconscious assessment of who the actions should be attributed to."
According to the new findings, people with Asperger's play the game just as a non-autistic person would, but they lack the characteristic "self" signal in the brain. Normal people lack the signal only when they think that they are playing against a computer, suggesting that autistic people view interactions with other people similarly to the way that normal people think about interacting with a computer.
"This approach allows a somewhat objective look at something hopelessly subjective - sense of self," says Dr John Gabrieli, a neuroscientist at Massachusetts Institute of Technology.
While the findings are clearly intriguing, it is not yet clear what they mean. One popular theory of autism is that people with the disorder lack a normal theory of mind - the ability to imagine the thoughts and actions
of others. Identifying a specific deficit linked to thoughts of self could help narrow down what has gone wrong in that process.
"People think autism is linked to a lack of understanding of what a partner is doing," says Dr Chiu. "But maybe they don't understand their own role in the social exchange."
Other scientists interpret the results further, suggesting that this signal is linked to a sort of internal reputation assessment in the brain.
"If you are a normal person, when you invest money in the game, you are thinking about how you will look in the eyes of your partner," says Dr Frith. "That's precisely what the theory of mind hypothesis would project is wrong with people with autism."
Other autism experts are unwilling to make such a leap. "I'm sceptical about how much [the Baylor College study] tells us about which capacities are intact and engaged in autism," says Dr Matthew Belmonte, a scientist at Cornell University, in Ithaca, New York. "I'm not convinced they have a deficit at all. Maybe they have adopted a different cognitive strategy."
I don't really mean to be a jerk, but posting a link to a google search doesn't really demonstrate extensive research. It does look like there are some reasonable forms of evidence that AS is associated with right hemisphere abnormalities, but I'm not seeing any indication that classic autism is strongly associated with the left. Try searching "autism left hemisphere". You absolutely do not find the kinds of results that you get for "asperger right hemisphere". Instead you find people talking about asymmetry across hemispheres, or dysfunction of cross-hemisphere communication, both of which might also be present in AS (indeed, right hemisphere abnormality would imply asymmetry). Indeed, some classically autistic students I know (those whose language skills were delayed, and even still impaired into their teens) display excellent math abilities relative to their overall functionality, which tends to be associated with left brain intelligence.
I respect Baron-Cohen's work, and it's great that he's helping the world find out about autistic gifts. However, I am at present inclined to disagree with him about the etiology of AS and other ASDs. They appear very strongly to be different expressions of the same or a similar genotype, and their behavioral effects are nearly identical. I'd really much rather he were right on this one, because then I wouldn't have to worry about having LFA children, but until someone can demonstrate a single significant and generally applicable difference at either the neurological or genetic level, I have to assume that it's a possibility.
You don't consider those dozens upon dozens of papers that address the involvement of the right hemisphere in Asperger's representative of extensive research? I really don't understand what you're trying to say. Do you mean that it doesn't demonstrate my having done extensive research? I'd have to say that it demonstrates that I've done more research that you have, because you seemed completely ignorant of the fact that hemispheric disparity has been at the heart of the HFA vs. Asperger's debate for over 15 years.
Let me quote you again, if I may:
I'm sorry, but you are not in a position to criticize the validity or tenacity of anyone's research.
No, it does not "look like" there are. There are.
Putting aside the fact that DDA of the left hemisphere has been broadly associated with "classic" autism for decades, let me quote a passage from my initial post to this thread:
What I will call "classic" autism generally describes significant DDA of the left hemisphere (or both hemispheres).
Also note that I addressed connectivity between hemispheres, and the fact that DDA in ANY area of the brain can result in behavior typical of Asperger's or "classic" autism--that was the whole point of this thread, really.
I don't mind responding to issues you have with what I've written, but it is very hard to do so when you either do not understand what I have written, or have ignored/forgotten parts of it.
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