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25 Apr 2010, 2:28 pm

anyone else here watch that show ? although I do believe the small possibility of ancient aliens, I watch it because it makes me laugh. They keep spewing theories with no proof or data to back it up. some of it is just ridiculous, like one theory they had was that, the Jews were kept alive by a little machine with a nuclear reactor in it, and that machine made manna, I think i just about died laughing ... haha just wanna hear some thoughts. k thx



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25 Apr 2010, 2:32 pm

I enjoy the entertainment of these theories and the extreme reaching for connections in all the civilizations. Even though I don't believe a great deal of it, I find it fascinating. The only thing about the ancient alien theories that bothers me is the idea that people with RH negative blood are evil reptilians. Too much of that thinking could lead to lynch mobs. You would be surprised how much of this particular conspiracy theory is running rampant on the Internets.



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25 Apr 2010, 2:45 pm

I'm sure i would be surprised lol. I just think its ridiculous that because its on the history channel, which is mainstream, a lot of people may actually be persuaded to that type of thinking.
One thing i did find interesting though, was the ancient airplanes found in south America. Gold little trinkets. I'm guessing Disney was inspired by them when they made animated movie Atlantis.

if anyone wants to see what I'm talking about, i could try n post some pics.



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25 Apr 2010, 2:51 pm

I think we should apply Occam's razor wherever we can. If we dont need aliens to explain ancient history than why bring them into the equation?

Having said that, there is no known physical reason why Earth cant have been visited by advanced aliens in the past.
In fact i would have been highly surprised if they were not here.

But, and this is central, there is just no evidence for it actually having happened.


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25 Apr 2010, 3:01 pm

sarek wrote:
I think we should apply Occam's razor wherever we can. If we dont need aliens to explain ancient history than why bring them into the equation?

Having said that, there is no known physical reason why Earth cant have been visited by advanced aliens in the past.
In fact i would have been highly surprised if they were not here.

But, and this is central, there is just no evidence for it actually having happened.


I would never rule such a thing out, but like many theories, people start to bend them to fit their own agendas. Like Hitler did.



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25 Apr 2010, 3:08 pm

pumibel wrote:
sarek wrote:
I think we should apply Occam's razor wherever we can. If we dont need aliens to explain ancient history than why bring them into the equation?

Having said that, there is no known physical reason why Earth cant have been visited by advanced aliens in the past.
In fact i would have been highly surprised if they were not here.

But, and this is central, there is just no evidence for it actually having happened.


I would never rule such a thing out, but like many theories, people start to bend them to fit their own agendas. Like Hitler did.

They'll do that with or without alien conspiracy theories.

The problem isn't in the theories themselves, because there's a lot of stuff that can be bent to an agenda. The problem is in the people who know how to pull that crap.


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25 Apr 2010, 4:13 pm

the evidence is there if you pay attention
go to a search engine and look up phionx arizon?
a 1.5 mile long craft slowly flew over the city during the day back in 97 I belive. not to mention countless sightings from cops,piolets,air traffic controlers, poeple who are trained and tested to know what they see


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25 Apr 2010, 4:41 pm

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25 Apr 2010, 4:53 pm

I first encountered this sort of thing in the 70's when I was a kid and "Chariots of the Gods" played in theaters. I was really into it and sort of believed it (I was a kid!).

In the 80's somebody pointed something out the racism of it all to me and now it really jumps out.

These"ancient astronaut" theories are usually put out by Europeans (like Eric Von Daniken) or Americans in reference to non-European based ancient cultures. If you strip the arguments down to their core, what they usually come out to is "those ancient brown people couldn't possibly have done this themselves, they must have had help". Nearly all the arguments are a variation on the idea that ancient (and especially non-European) people couldn't possibly have figured out how to do anything technological on their own so anything that takes engineering skill must have come from...beyond. As though engineering skill is a uniquely European attribute and even though we can build rockets without space alien help, they couldn't have built pyramids without it.

The Nazca Lines in Peru as ancient landing strips are a particularly annoying example of this. The whole premise is that large scale patterns couldn't have been made unless people could have traveled in the air by hot air balloon (or whatever) to see the overall pattern. I know from personal experience this is nonsense. As a kid I used to stamp out laerge patterns in the snow in fields and then would climb a tree to appreciate them. You don't have to be able to see a large pattern from the air in order to be able to create it accurately. At least not if you have a good enough visual imagination to be able to extrapolate what a pattern would look like if seen from above. I think it takes a giant racist leap to think that the ancient people of what is now Peru didn't have the mental skills to plan out a large scale drawing and then create it without being able to see it from above. Really! If I could do a medium scale figure stamped out in a snowy field as a kid, I'm sure they were able to do that just fine without extraterrestrial help.



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02 May 2010, 8:26 am

I don't really know. I have an interest in reading about UFO's and the like, and it's interesting stuff. Some of it's a bit farfetched, but some isn't, and that's the disturbing stuff.

In regards to Ancient Aliens, there were a couple of Egyptian hieroglyphs that looked like a helicopter, plane and "flying saucer" found somewhere, and a bunch of drawings of "astronaut" like things in many countries. It's too creepy to think about at this late hour for me. I spent the weekend reading about things people have found while camping, some of it wasn't good...



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02 May 2010, 8:27 pm

Its an insult to ancient peoples who built the pryamids and standing stones around the world to say that aliens built them. The researchers are either too lazy or stupid to figure out how the ancients built things. As far as we know it could have been an ancient aspies who figured out how to perfectly alighn the prymids and calculate the movement of the stars.



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03 May 2010, 2:01 am

I had to re-read some of the other posts to remember that people believe that ancient aliens built all the good stuff because people who lived more than a couple thousand years ago were stupid and incompetent. Up until that point I was thinking more along the lines that humans haven't even been around long enough for anything we've done to be considered ancient and that there is no telling how much intelligent life has arisen in the universe since it's inception, and of course it's possible some intelligent life at some point could have visited here. It would be funny if they visited here when it was just a barren rock and someone dropped a booger on the ground and that was the beginning of life on earth.



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03 May 2010, 3:46 am

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Its an insult to ancient peoples who built the pryamids and standing stones around the world to say that aliens built them. The researchers are either too lazy or stupid to figure out how the ancients built things.

Damn straight.

I don't know what ancient aliens are nor do I care.


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03 May 2010, 3:51 am

I write about ancient times, and the pattern of humans was very consistant, everything they did could be done now, by just about anyone. 15,500 years ago comes a wave of things that could not be done now.

In the city of Veracocha, god king of Teahuanaco, stones were quaried, cut with perfect surface, angles, grooves, then moved sixteen kilometers over water, land, to the building site. The largest weighs 440 tons. Baalbek has a foundation of even larger stones.

The stones of Stonehenge were quarried forty miles away, moved over two rivers, and weigh enough that they would crush wood rollers, or just sink in to the earth. Setting them upright, then placeing the capstones, was quite a job, and nothing like it since. The Long Barrows, the triliths, the Cylopean buildings, all moved and placed huge stones, with tight joints, that were never done again.

It is also the time when flying machines start showing up. It was not continued in the art of later periods.

In paintings from the 1500s, in the background, are the great daylight comets, something we have never seen in modern times, and also, classic saucers, the typical UFO, as they recorded things seen.

Humans had long gotten along in survival mode, then comes a sudden change when technlogy appears, and high fire pottery, metals, building cities, irrigated farmland, come in an instant.

I think there are aliens, that come here, and they do not support any political party, but do try to develop the species.

While gifts from the gods are recorded from very early times all over earth, some later people claimed to own one, that they could control with spells, chants, and magic books, but they never produced the technology to back up the claim.



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03 May 2010, 6:27 am

alana wrote:
It would be funny if they visited here when it was just a barren rock and someone dropped a booger on the ground and that was the beginning of life on earth.


After watching the news both local and worldwide I am certain it was not a booger but aliens emptying thier space ship's septic tanks before they reentered space. We are probably descended from the bacteria of their dookey, :lol:



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04 May 2010, 5:38 am

MuayThaiKid wrote:
anyone else here watch that show ? although I do believe the small possibility of ancient aliens, I watch it because it makes me laugh. They keep spewing theories with no proof or data to back it up. some of it is just ridiculous, like one theory they had was that, the Jews were kept alive by a little machine with a nuclear reactor in it, and that machine made manna, I think i just about died laughing ... haha just wanna hear some thoughts. k thx


You know, the Santorini volcanic blast is believed to have taken place roughly the same time as the exodus from Egypt, spewing ash and pumice through out the Mediterranean, and blackening the sky. That manna the Hebrews thought was from heaven may very well have been VOLCANIC ASH!! !! !! !! !

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