Crypto Sensitivity Syndrome?

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Something I came across, while trying to find the percentage of the general population that has Aspergers (anyone know that figure, btw?)

http://www.backlash.com/content/disab/2003/rvm1203.html

What do you people think of this?

Btw, I was particularly interested in the section he had on politics in there. Made a lot of sense to me, and probably explains my very conservative leanings. (I've never been one to consider myself a "victim" or in need of the Welfare NannyState to take care of me... get the government the hell out of the way and let me do it myself.)

CSS sounds a lot different than AS.

It appears to be another way of talking about Theory of Mind.

MAN,

I fit the DSM criteria, but think I missed at LEAST one of the criteria categories under "GILLBERG'S CRITERIA FOR ASPERGER'S DISORDER"! I COULD MAYBE argue 4c,4e, but that would be it(I would need another to get that category).

HOW does THAT match DSM D though?

D.There is no clinically significant general delay in language

Steve

Yes, there is this hope for acceptance and not comforming to society's expectations of behavior that I believe arises out of liberal thinking. It is SO self-destructive, IMO.

We seem to have forgotten about the old-fashioned idea of public self vs. private self. That would probably be considered conservative these days. When I was going up, liberalism was about equality, not extremes. Having boundreis makes life a lot easier to understand.

I seriously dislike how he introduces politics into his article. It has little or nothing to do with asperger's. Plus, the labels "Liberal" and "Conservative" are practically meaningless. I don't see how a "Conservative" society (if by what he means is the championing of private industry over government intervention, or if he means socially conservative--i.e. highly restrictive and regulatory of the social and civil aspect of the general population) would benefit aspies more, as conservative societies are far more likely to ostracize anything outside of the perceived "norm," which in Conservative culture is normally very narrowly defined.

Steve, I think there often is a language delay, although sometimes elective. Dr. Asperger's original kids were "walking encylopedias." I think the special interests differentiate AS more than anything else from the other flavors of autism.

Read Temple Grandin's thoughts on this topic. A very rule-based society is much easier for aspies to navigate whereas a very loose structure makes everything seem confusing. It wasn't taught as perceived "norms" it was taught as having "good" manners vs. "bad" manners and manners were things that everyone had to learn. It was much less damaging that being raised in a soceity where you have to guess at everything.

A favorite radio host of mine, Dennis Prager, says he used to be a liberal Democrat, back in the Kennedy years, but switched parties when he realized that the Democrats, and liberalism in general, didn't mean the same thing today that they did 30 years ago. That most of the values Democrats used to hold - equality, rule of law, individual freedoms, etc. - are held by Republicans now. That if you took the ideas of prominent liberal Democrats back then - Kennedy, Roosevelt, Hubert Humphrey, et. al. - and expressed them today, people would think you were a right-wing neocon religious nutjob.

Well, the DSM says the delay isn't clinically significant. I had no such delay. I did better than the highest expected milestone at least 4-6 months earlier, simple phrases and sentences respectively.

BTW regarding CSS I think I hit every point on the first few pages, and many on the last few. In other places, I hit many. I'll have to look more thouroughly when I have time. I think it COULD be a little less restrictive/lengthy.

Rod makes some great points. I DO agree with seriousgirl though. I think interests are one of the most clearly defining visual differences between the two groups.

Steve

Manners are nothing more than expected behaviors as part of a social construct, usually set forth by the ruling class. They're also a further masking of society, causing people to act in a way directly contradictory to their nature and to how their personality may actually be. To me, that seems to stand in the way of an aspie's desire to be themself and to be honest with the world, and to have the world be honest with them. I'd much prefer an honest and open society rather than one even more extreme than what we live in today, where politeness and public delusion are far more valued than public and self truths.

To me, it seems like even more of a nanny society, as it is deliberated constructed to avoid injuring those with weak emotional constitutions. While that may indeed benefit aspies (to the degree that they never have to mature emotionally, which is possible for an aspie), is it so beneficial to create a society in which a person's true self is to always be hidden away, for the benefit of the ruling class?

That's far from so in any sense. The parallel figures of Republicanism at the time--Barry Goldwater, Richard Nixon, Donald Rumsfeld, Spiro Agnew--were far from champions of rule of law and individual freedoms. The actions of administrations such as Nixon's and Ford's were deliberately directed towards deluding the populace, warmongering, and restricting the lives of the public. Nixon's administration was oppressive, as the over-strengthening of the police and military presence domestically and the criminalization of the normal American citizen (war on drugs, cold war era fear of communism, the declining hippie and yippie movements being further demonized) caused a great strife on our country. I hardly think that people like George McGovern (one of the few leftists to ever have a chance in the Democratic party) would be seen as right wing nutjobs these days.

You cannot view politics in the terms of what the two parties say they represent. Everyone knows that the Kennedys and Humphrey were idiot centrists who just wanted to get elected to wield the power of office. But the Republicans were no better, and in some cases, much worse. The same rings true today--criminally few Democrats really represent the image of the oppositional party (Russ Feingold is the best example I can immediately think of), and the majority simple minces and half-poses in public to make people feel like they represent an opposing viewpoint. True leftism and libertarianism (the two can very well go hand-in-hand, read anything about left-libertarianism or the real definition of civil/social libertarianism) would not represent the current image of "liberalism" in America, which often means just a left-of-center policy that differs from Republicanism only when the Democratic party is not in power. To perceive the terms "Liberal" and "Conservative" in terms of American politics is very dangerous, as the two aren't very different. The true definitions of the words are often far too skewed in favor of spin to really mean anything.

It has nothing to do with a "ruling class." LOL. I think you need to study anthropology and sociology and understand group dynamics. Then take a look at selfish genes and evolutionary psychology and you'll understand that every society, including the most primitive, has acceptable public behavior standards and often the penalty for not adhering to the rules is very harsh. And that the group dynamic is genetically hard coded.

EVERYONE keeps themselves hidden in public. I don't think most aspies understand this and go off on irrational rants about how unfair it is. Having clear rules of PUBLIC behavior is very helpful. In private, you can behave as you wish.

Yeh blame the liberals... As an Apie I find it hard to understand why people bounce from one extreme to the other and simplify things in terms of liberal and conservative. They never think what would be best for that particular thing they have to look it up in a party manifesto. Traditions are just something that has been done a lot, that doesn't mean every tradition is good. Is wife snatching a good tradition? I think they should revive that;) What this guy is talking about is Victorianism, which merely painted over the cracks that where already there.

What it seems to me is another person or group pushing an agenda. I don't think much practical will come out of it. Every diagnosis still needs an expert judgment. I wouldn't want it so people would just jump to conclusions about people.

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As an SA sufferer who has made a little progress I couldn't agree less. There are social rules and legal rules. The main problem is social rules which are part of human behaviour. They are not always rigid that's what make them hard to understand. Just like we are the way we are they are the way they are. Some of the behaviours haven’t really changes since the dawn of civilisation. Others developed over thousands of years.

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Great discussion.
Temple Grandin does seem to favor conservative social norms, where public behavior is spelled out for everyone. However, she also extends that to fashion and grooming. At a lecture I attended she blasted parents of Aspies that allow their kids to have messy hair and unkempt clothing. She associated it with the lack of social skills they are noted for. Her bias comes from her age, being brought up in the 50's and early 60's. She claims that many of her collegues (engineers) are undiagnosed Aspies and passed as normal for so many years because of their conservative upbringing. that's likely true.
However, modern parents choose to pick our battles. Do we force Aspies/autistics to have haircuts? How? Do we force grooming on children, how much?
Dr. Grandin had a lot of advantages that most of us don't. She was expelled from public school and her parents were able to send her to a private boarding school. Sometimes we give our kids more freedoms because they have to deal with overcrowded, overstimulating public schools.
She, like other girls, were forced to wear uncomfortable clothing and to be ladylike. She seems to forget that it was the hippy rebellion of the 60's that allows her to dress in men's clothing and walk around in short, messy hair. How would she cope in starched up dresses or being pressured to fix her hair everyday?

I'm not meaning to attack her or her opinion, just that in the grand scheme of things, society is a lot more complex than a Liberal/Conservative label. There are tools in this liberal society to teach good social skills and I think parents and teachers should utilize them for everyone.