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Here is a theory I have come up with and from my 20 years on this planet I am probably right in saying this. Many people even neuroptyicals may have very mild traits of ecentricity or aspergers without even being on the autisim spectrum at all, which in my opinon makes them very interesting people to associate with. Full blown neurotpyicals on the other hand without any disorders in my personal opinon are the most boring and dull people you could ever wish to meet. So boring in fact that they are contemptible in there overly laid casual persona and demenour. I have met many of these types of neurotypicals and they hang around in packs and they all dress the same and look like clones.

These types of neurotypicals are way on the otherside of the neurotpyical specturm and are so normal in a way that it makes them belive i(t or not) seem weird or robot like. Its like you get neurotypicals who are o the high end of neuro specturm and the autistics who are right up on the high end of the autisim spectrum that they can not take part in normal every day life.

Do you agree with what I have typed above or not? Two of my friends in fact are full blown neurotypicals and they are boring as hell and cold. My other two friends (one who suffers from dyslexia) and the other who has ADHD are far more interesting too talk to and hang around with. In short ecentric people rule.

I know what you mean, and I agree with what you're saying. They only seem "boring and dull" to us though, because we think differently from them, whereas those who have similar traits to us are more interesting because we can relate to them in some kind of way, even if it's not a whole lot, but you can't do that with people who are 100% NT and totally "normal".

Know what you mean. I don't think we are even cl;ose on underastanding what the facvtors and boundaries are.

that would seem like a very nasty disorder to me, and contagious possibly

I could never understand the urge of people to flock together like that, doesn't seem healthy to deny your individuality and conform to dress codes and group codes

Well I have semantic pragmantic langauge disorder which is closely related to aspergers and is on the autisim spectrum. When I try and socalise with my 2 100 percent neurotpyical friends they can give me the cold shoulder or put me aside like I am different even though a lot of people say I behave normally, but then there are different variations of normal and I am probably on the lower end of normal verging on the gray area to be honest. Sure because of semantic pragmantic I can behave a bit strangely when I am under pressure. What I have observed when hanging around with my friendship group is that I can more easily talk to my ADHD and Dyslexic friends without really feeling out of place because they are closer to the gray area than the other two of my friends. To be honest my full blown neurotypical buddies are not the sharpest tools in the draw so that is probably why I find it tougher to hang out with them. My other two mates I find easier to hang around with because they do not have such a narrow minded view of the world and like me have big imaginations and just more interesting have more in common with me to be frank. Ironic as well that the 2 guys I mentioned that are full blown neuros have low paying job (one is a plumber) and the other works in a small UK chain store called Robert Dyas. I'd have to say my plumber friend is the most dullest out of the 2. lol.

On a final note what I have noticed is that my Dyslexic and ADHD friend can easily socalise with the 2 full blown neuros but yet I find it harder to make a connection with them?

Either I don't know any "full-blown" neurotypicals, or I just have not had the same experiences as you, but I disagree! I think that my brother and his wife are about asn NT as it gets, but they are certainly not boring or cold! While I don't share many of their interests or taste in movies (they've never heard of Iron Man) or TV (they like Ellen DeGeneres' show), we still have a good time when we get together and find lots to talk about! They are very warm and loving people, too; their sons are two of the most affectionate, happy little boys I've ever seen. They love nothing better than to climb on the couch with my brother so he can read to them; my sister is a stay-at-home-mom, so she is also very involved in their kids' lives, as well as expecting Baby 3 in July). Both of my parents are a little werid, and all my friends have their own quirks, though, so they are not "full-blown neurotypical" as I think you define it.

Maybe the Dyslexic and ADHD friends don't think that these two guys are boring, stupid and contemptible. I wouldn't want to connect with anybody who felt that way about me either.

Jamesy wrote:

I'm assuming you mean "dull" in the sense of boring
rather than dull in the sense of unintelligent or stupid.


I would never define someone capable of being a plumber
as unintelligent.

Maybe they're not "intellectuals" in the academic/book-worm sense.

Maybe they'd be lucky to get one question on CELEBRITY Jeopardy
(if you don't know, that's an extremely dumbed-down version of a
popular American quiz show featuring celebrity contestants)
correct.


But i've met plenty of academic/book-worm "intellectuals" who can
barely figure out how to screw in a lightbulb (i'm only marginally
exaggerating here) let alone figure out how to fix a toliet. As well
as plenty who don't know much about anything academic outside
of their own area of academic training.




My old PhD'd philosophy professor would be a good example.


One time the "check engine" idiot light came on his car.


He thought the car needed oil, so he proceeded to pour motor oil in
the RADIATOR thinking it was the oil tank!! !



Even as abysmal as my mechanical aptitude is....I wouldn't have made
that mistake when I was ten.

From what I could gather...it wasn't like he knew much about
physics, math, chemistry, history, psychology or any other
academic subject aside from philosophy.

And yet the man could discuss the esoterica of Nietzchean philosophy,
existentialism, the Hegelian dialectic, etc....all day long and everyone
considered him an "intellectual".

I'd say it's time to discard the term "intellectual".


It's also time to discard this one-size-fits-all notion of "intelligence".


I would consider the following supposedly autistic man with a
MR-level IQ extremely intelligent in his own fashion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Paravicini

I agree with everything Horus said. (Not quoting it because that would take up too much space).

I really don't think I'm savvy enough to determine who is NT, etc in my life.

The only personalities I have learned to suss out are the ones who tend to be abusive and that took months and months of studying traits, counseling, and 18 weeks of domestic violence classes.

Oh god its getting a bit heated in here with Horus and Janissy ganging up on me.

Listen its not my fault, if anything there the ones who can't be bothered to make a connection with me even when I try and be friendly to my plumber friend its like what I say goes in one ear and out the other. To be honest really its only the plumber who I have a hard time making small talk with and guess what he is my oldest friend out of all 5 of them ( we have known each other since we were eight years old).

In all due respecet I also don't appreicate your comments either jannisy. You don't know the full story so don't go spewing groundless comments and make me out to be some Tyrannical person which I am not.

Just to be clear....i'm not ENTIRELY discounting the value of
IQ tests.


Often enough...they measure one's strengths and weaknesses relatively
accurately. I'm pretty sure the few "polymaths" i've met in my life would
score pretty high on an IQ test. I'm pretty sure someone like Leonardo
Davinci would. I'm pretty sure most with Down syndrome would
score pretty low. But there are enough exceptions here too.

Still...we're talking about people who are "globally" impaired (and not all Down syndrome people are...a few very rare exceptions aren't cognitively impaired at all)
and that's fairly uncommon or globally "gifted" and that's even more uncommon.

Most people just have strengths and weaknesses and both are, disproportionately
speaking, more pronounced among those on the spectrum.

I wasn't trying to "gang up" on you at all. I was actually just asking a question since you
didn't clearly define what you meant by "dull".

"Dull" can just as easily mean stupid/dumb/unintelligent as it can mean boring/tedious/tiresome, etc....

If you just meant the man is boring in your opinion...that's acceptable. "Boring" is a very
subjective thing of course. I'm pretty sure someone in this world would find you boring
as well. I mean no offense by that....it's just that none of us can please all the people all
of the time.

But if you were trying to say he's stupid or unintelligent just because he doesn't grasp
certain things you think he needs to grasp in order to be defined as "intelligent", i'd
say you're dead wrong.

Even if he's an NT....did it ever occur to you that maybe he just has no use
for "small talk"?

Just because someone's a neurotypical doesn't mean they enjoy chatting about the
weather, last night's football game, the pretty girl on sidewalk, etc.....

Everyone's an individual, whether they're ASD, or NT.

Jamesy~

I'm not trying to "gang up on you"....but here's a good quote
from Noam Chomsky we all ought to keep in mind IMO.

This quote is coming from a man who is commonly referred
to as an "intellectual". It appears Chomsky himself would take
issue with that:

" These are funny words, actually. I mean, the way it's used,
being an "intellectual" has virtually nothing to do with working
with your mind: those are two different things. My suspicion is
that plenty of people in the crafts, auto mechanics and so on,
probably do as much or more intellectual work as plenty of
people in universities. There are big areas of academia where
what's called "scholarly" is just clerical work, and I don't think
clerical work's more challenging mentally than fixing an automobile
engine-in fact, I think the opposite: I can do clerical work, I can
never figure out how to fix an automobile engine.

So if by "intellectual" you mean people who are using their
minds, then it's all over the society. If by intellectual you mean
people who are in the business of imposing thoughts, and framing
ideas for people in power, and telling everyone else what they should
believe, and so on, well, yeah, that's different. Those people are called
"intellectuals"-but they're really more a kind of secular priesthood,
whose task is to uphold the doctrinal truths of the society. And the
population SHOULD be anti-intellectual in that respect, I think that's
a healthy reaction".

In other words....just because YOU might find a conversation with
Henry Kissinger more stimulating and "intellectual" than one with
your plumber friend doesn't mean Henry Kissinger is less dull/stupid
/dumb/unintelligent than your plumber friend in some objective
sense.

Well I do find that when my plumber friend is giving me a ride back home in his car after a night out, since I can't drive when I do try and make conversation with him he is very discreet in what he says and does not try and prolong the conversation like my dyslexic friend does when I have conversations with him. To an ignorant person like me of course I might think he is not that smart but yes I am probably wrong in thinking that.

To be honest maybe he just does not feel comftable around me since finding out I have semantic pragnmantic language disorder or aspergers if you want to call it that. He's not a bad guy at all and I do see him being very chatty with other people and he is a joker and farts for fun a lot but with me the conversations can be a little awkward sometimes even though we have known each ohter for so long. My other neuro friend that I talked about earlier in the thread just blends in the background is probably a bit slow and quiet because of all the weed he has been smoking for almost 4 years and has kind of rotted his brain