Autism vs The Catholic Church

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omg sorry about the video, i did not look at this vids before i posted it.

"What do you think, people?"

I think "insubordinate" does not mean what he thinks it means.

i think it means
well according to the site
insub·ordi·nate n.
insub·ordi·nate·ly adv.
insub·ordi·nation n.
Synonyms: insubordinate, rebellious, mutinous, factious, seditious
These adjectives mean in opposition to and usually in defiance of established authority. Insubordinate implies failure or refusal to recognize or submit to the authority of a superior: was fired for being insubordinate.
Rebellious implies open defiance of authority or resistance to control: rebellious students demonstrating on campus.
Mutinous pertains to revolt against constituted authority, especially that of a naval or military command: mutinous sailors defying the captain.
Factious implies divisiveness, dissension, or disunity within a group or an organization: "The army has been embroiled in a standoff battle against a [hornets'] nest of factious groups" (Time).
Seditious applies mainly to the treasonous stirring up of resistance against a government: rebels distributing seditious pamphlets.

Basically, I agree with you. Also I find you personable and articulate and worth watching.

But ... um ... about "articulate" - can you clean that up a bit? Maybe it's my age, but I found your language distracting from what you were trying to say.

Which is almost funny, because you're talking about a kid who is distracting a congregation.

The Catholic church will go to your home and say Mass just for you, if you have sufficient reason not to be in the Church. Where I live, this personal attention would have kicked in right away. But when I hear you say the mother turned down closed-circuit TV, I have to wonder whether she turned down a private Mass too.

Most Catholic churches have a Saturday evening Mass and some Sunday Masses. How about getting these people to commit to one time-slot, and discreetly and respectfully spread the word. Maybe there's room for everybody.

I'm curious about the priest applying to the Courts for relief. What did the Bishop say? the Cardinal? The RC is 2000 years old and they've got rules for everything. The precedent of the Courts deciding who can go to church is very Middle Ages. It's the wrong answer, but I don't what the right answer is, because the parents will not cooperate.

I haven't heard of that story till now. My family is Catholic but not really religious or practicing but I was baptized, received communion, went to a Catholic school for 5th true middle of 6th grade & a different Catholic school for my four years of high-school. I'm a Secular Humanist now. Anyways I'm under the impression that the church is a private organization & priest or bishops do excommunicate members on rare occasions. I know the Catholic schools are private & have expelled students for misbehaving. I think the separation of church & state would prevent the court from overruling the priest decision to bane the kid.
On a side note one of my cousin's kids was going to a Catholic school last year & he had lots of behavioral problems with mass & my aunt was required to attend the mass with him till his problems got so bad that they kicked him of of the school with like two months left in the year. I think he was like in Kindergarten

Well, shoot I thought a little bit of suffering was supposed to be part of the ceremony? What? No? Too bad the kid (is he still called a kid at 224 pounds?) didn't have someone watching over him to make sure he doesn't reach an unhealthy weight, and too bad he won't be able to partake of the Cannibalism anymore. Maybe he and his mom could try Another Church? That Yankee Rose is kind of a hottie, isn't she?

Maybe the church should of tried an exorcism I know bad/wrong/offensive joke Seriously thou I'm concerned that the parents may not be making the best decisions for the kid. Tying the kid up to keep him under control in church seems kind of like child abuse to me. I'm NOT saying the parents are uncaring or anything; they could be trying their best but I think there is a much more serious issue here than the church kicking the kid out. I hope the parents are receiving social services & support because if they are keeping the kid tied up at home; the kid mite would be better off in a mental ward. A straight jacket would be more effective & safetr than tying his wrist. I feel the parents may not be capable of giving him the best care

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Sadly, I have to side with the church on this one.

Autism is not an excuse to behave badly. URINATING? How do you just let that happen as a parent supervising a child?

I know some churches have "quiet rooms" for unruly kids so the family can participate in the mass without worrying about crying or screaming children disrupting the service, but disability or not, you have to maintain a level of decorum. A kid who can not be kept control of for one hour should not be in the sanctuary.

With Catholics, the mass is all about communion. This can be done in private. Most churches audio tape services. They can hear the sermon in private.

There has to be a line drawn somewhere. I don't think the problem here is one of Autism. It's about the family either failing to teach the child to behave or not realizing some places just are not appropriate for people with certain conditions.

Handicapped or not, if I went to a nice restaurant and kid was screaming at the top of their voice and management did not ask that family to leave, I'd walk out and not pay. A handicap is not a free pass to behave badly wherever you happen to be.