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navtiidia
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13 Apr 2006, 5:10 pm

Is there a such thing as a disorder when it makes you smarter and more logical?
thats what i wanna know about the aspergers thing.
in new to this diagnosis. well 1 year old to it.
if you want a break down of this idea check this out...
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13 Apr 2006, 8:57 pm

I think the idea of disorder is based on the society you are in. For an extreme example, lets take Sickle Cell Anemia. That "disorder" causes weakness of the body and shortness of breath. In places such as the United States, the disorder has no use. However, in places where malaria is rampent (Africa and South/Central America), the "disorder" offers the person an immunity from that malaria which is worse than Sickle Cell Anemia.

I know someone with ADD who has been successful in starting a succession of business since 1995. He starts one, gets it to the point where it is making a profit, then cashes out and moves on to another business.

AS has its good traits and bad traits. The problem is that our advanced society which wants people to think and perform the same way does not allow for any leeway in personality or thinking. It is at that point when something like AS becomes a disorder. In fact, it is ironic that neither Thomas Edison nor Alber Einstien would be employable in todays job market because they did not follow this societies tradition of obtaining a HS diploma (which is really simply a sheet of paper saying you were able to jump through such and such hopes successfully).

So is AS a disorder. That depends on who you talk to. In the Western society however, yes AS is a disorder. That does not mean that it is a bad disorder and should be cured.


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14 Apr 2006, 5:42 am

navtiidia wrote:
Is there a such thing as a disorder when it makes you smarter and more logical?
thats what i wanna know about the aspergers thing.
in new to this diagnosis. well 1 year old to it.
if you want a break down of this idea check this out...
http://undiagnosable.greatestjournal.com/
otherwise discuss

A person whos' main differences are a high intelligence and logical thinking doesn't need an official label like AS,it would make no sense for those to search out and accept a disability label,when coping perfectly fine in life-it's an un needed oppression to them.
AS affects everyone in different ways,with varying functioning/severity levels,so whilst one person might not appreciate having a label,it does help another to gain the support and help they need to cope with their difficulties.

Disorder means being different to the usual/typical nearest equivilent,eg,neurotypicality,I don't think it's necessarily a bad word,I've seen people use worse on Autism labels [illness,disease].


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15 Apr 2006, 4:14 pm

navtiidia wrote:
Is there a such thing as a disorder...


When the kind of people who run society can't conceive of even the possibility that they may be flawed?

Yes of course; if you don't share their ambition, you are disordered, even if their ambition is purely personal, and does nothing for their fellow man.

If you don't share their "drive" even when the insatiable greed of our movers-and-shakers is visibly limiting our planet's ability to sustain our kind? Don't worry; even after our bosses have poisoned our planet beyond any possibility of sustaining our kind, life will go on; if there was "intelligent design" such a designer would have opted for evolution, as it's a pretty fool-proof method of ensuring diversity and survival...not much use for promoting supposedly inteligent entities as homo "sapiens" though?



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15 Apr 2006, 7:58 pm

Outside of man's belief system? No.


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15 Apr 2006, 8:11 pm

If AS is a disorder, what is it we are making out of order? Is disorder necessarily a negative thing? I for one concentrate better in environments ripe with disorder, does that make my mind disorderly?


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18 Apr 2006, 6:16 pm

When does it count as a disorder and when is it just borderline? It's a very difficult question because a disorder can't be quantified in exact terms. Usually some "expert" will try to evaluate an individual with questionnaires and such. Such a process can only lead to vague and general conclusions. When someone has a severe condition it is obvious. When someone has a less sever condition it is noticeable. When someone has a borderline or slight condition it is difficult to determine what if anything is the problem.

Its somewhat like, but not exactly like, mental retardation. It is said that someone with an IQ under 70 is a mental ret*d. So does that mean an individual with an IQ of 71 is normal? I don't think so.

I've heard that one in 600 or so people have some form of autism. With the vast majority of them unaware due to slight symptoms. There is no clear line. We can only really say that some one is unusual when they stand out in some negative way.

Some have put forth the question; what is mental illness? For example when is someone schizophrenic affective instead of schizophrenic? The guidelines are blurry. All that can be said with certainty is that abnormal or disordered people are that way because we notice it.