Selective Breeding Examples of what we do with animals

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Imagine being born with big muscles like Arnold Schwarzenegger, no need to go to the gym, ever!

I wonder if a breed of super aspie could be achieved.....

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these guys are bred to faint when stressed

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Why is this in the general Autism Discussion?

The down side is that from what I've seen selective breeding always produces health complications in long-term situations.

Yeah, that bull might produce a lot of meat naturally, but if it had to live a full life, it would have how many health problems because of its unnatural size?

Cant you see the connection?

Why euthanasia yourself because of depression when your really the master race in charge of all animals?

Imagine the super aspie

http://www.ukbeardeddragons.co.uk/morphs.htm

People have created orange, yellow and red bearded dragons though selective breeding.

Someone's special interest?

No. "Super Aspie?!"

Absolutely not. Think of what you are saying! When was the last time we thought that way; and what happened when we did? In the United States, we were lucky just to sterilize thirty thousand people and lobotomize eighteen thousand more.

No. The human race is strong because we are diverse and because we work together. It has always been that way; and it probably always will be. If anything, it's not that one kind of human is coming out as superior--it's that we're learning that the more different kinds of human we have, the better off we are.

Aspies will remain a minority; but if things continue the way they are, being a minority will be considered something good and useful to your society.

So.. Who's gonna ride the mini-horse?
What function does it fullfill?
Bred just to be a record?
Poked and Prodded?
A novelty act?

Are we trying to tease the Smurfs out of hiding or something?

I think the "super aspie" would be our savants - when aspie traits manifest as successfull examples of the genetic, like any evolutionary trend there are also unsuccessfull examples (classic autism). This is why I think the conventional autism spectrum is flawed.

When taxonomists find a group within a species that is markedly different in ways the others could never achieve (hearing in colour, counting dates, seemingly impossible mental math abilities . . .) These neurological differences suggest a new subspecies.

The greatest differences between wolves and dogs are neurological - both canids, but clearly not the same animal. Likewise I think it is more usefull to accept that aspies are a different animal - with different strengths and abilities and also different needs.

This is why treatment approaches that seek to teach us to "be normal" are unsuccessfull - the best we seem to achieve is "Pretending to be Normal" but never stop being aspies inside - I was also able to train my wolf-hybrid dog to behave well eneugh to fool local animal control - that doesn't mean he wasn't part wolf. Likewise I have at times fooled people into giving me jobs they wouldn't normally give to an epileptic . . . you can see the problem with this I'm sure.

There are eneugh people on the planet that we are due to see evolutionary changes.

According to Julian Asher (oxford) some of these now mesurable genetic differences are in fact dominant.

We are Super Aspies! and our numbers are growing

I believe that this is a good thing too - the world might be a better place if we humans had a greater tendancy towards honesty, critical thinking, and could use our neurology more flexibly to expereince our senses more fully.

I'm not suggesting that Aspies are not human or sub human, but perhaps a new kind of human.

Heh. No; miniature horses are kept as pets, like dogs. I've even heard of them being used as service animals.

I like this view. It makes me think of a different way to interpret that infamous puzzle piece ribbon that some groups use as an autism symbol. Rather than viewing it as "people with autism are a puzzle to be figured out" it can be looked at as more a symbol of neurodiversity. A puzzle is made of many interlocking pieces and each of those pieces has a slightly different shape. When all the pieces are in the place that is right for their shape, a new big picture is formed. But if any piece is removed, the big picture is incomplete.

I think the value judgment of which is superior is where things become problematic.

Is a Labrador Retriever superior to a wolf? - no they are just very different canids

"Neurodisversity" recognizes our difference - difference is not neccessarily superior or inferior, it's just difference.

NT's recognise our difference (even as children that difference is so apparent - everybody think back to elementry school bullying) - this difference is identifiable (hense Asperegers can be diagnosed). These differences include a neurofunction the other can never achieve due to biology. Just as NT's will never learn savant skills or have our focus or tendancy toward honesty, Aspies never become "normal" - don't suddenly overcome prosopagnosia, stop experiencing sensory differences, and learn to fluently and intuitivly preform NT communication.

Currently our society holds NT as the ideal or superior human - this creates all kinds of problems. I think the first place to start in breaking down those problems is to stop placing NT as an ideal on the autism spectrum.

Actually some aspects of the genetic associated with autism are dominant and our numbers are rising at tremendous rates - despite our reletivly low reproductive rate - we may not be such a minority in just a few generations!

I think you are on the right track though in terms of changing attitudes about what is good or usefull . . . I would love to see NT's have to overcome some of their deficits and become more inclusive, broad minded and forward thinking. The tendancy of NT's to stamp out any difference is I think a serious personality disorder - because NT's are likley to jump on the eugenics band wagon we are pressed to conform rather than embracing our differences.

Corn crops, cows all with the same father, in fact every major commercial crop and animal production facility will use only the best of the best. To do otherwise is to lower production and profit. One bull called Hugo is father to most of the NZ diary herd. However, diversity in a human population is more desirable from a corporate empire/nation building perspective

The main problem is eventual deterioation of the gene code thru lack of diversity.

In time any monoculture will create a weakness in the gene code, but scientist are working on it.

The creation of a super aspie would entail breeding a high functioning, high yeilding (in terms of supposedly positive traits like ability to obsessively work on projects and willingness to submit to leadership) rather than iconoclastic renegades such as myself.

However, this weeding out of free thinking writers and imaginists and imaginators.... will be like the Chinese mistake of killing off all their sparrows (because they took grain) resulting in major crop failure (because the sparrows also controlled bugs) due to pestilence.