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06 Nov 2009, 3:20 pm

loving mister spock is supposed to be a good book for those in a relationship with aspergers, i read a preview online from the book and i was really disapointed, it was such a depressing read i understand that i can't make a good judgement when i havent read the full book but what i want to know should i give it another try and read the full book.

what i have read only focussed on problems problems problems and always the cause was autism.
if this is what my future relationships are gonna be like it gives me a whole new perspective on so many posts in here where my first reaction always is why are they so pessimistic i gues im just not experienced enough and in 20 years ill be joining the ranting.

also after reading this i think i will stop refering to myself as an aspie because i just really cant indentify with anything in that book.

i had high hopes for this book, and to me it feels like its only message is to stay clear of aspies the relationships are just too painfull.

link to the preview
http://books.google.nl/books?id=6SvxitR ... q=&f=false



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06 Nov 2009, 3:58 pm

I've heard of the book, don't know anything about it by reputation, but the title alone implies that everyone with AS (particularly males) are aloof, cold and emotionally detached. I wouldn't expect anything but negativity from an author who sees us that way.

There are plenty of other reasons besides AS for not wanting to become responsible for the emotional well-being of a clingy, needy human.



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06 Nov 2009, 5:41 pm

So glaring at you when you are in a conversation means "go away and shut up." Okay.

This is weird because I was told on here autistic people do good with tone of voice. The reason for me not being good at it is due to my hearing loss I had.

So I am to guess peoples ages if they guess mine?

Sounds like the lady was understanding and she liked him. I couldn't read all the pages because not all of them would load. But one of her friends told her she was in a abusive relationship. Goodness. At least the man wasn't shy when he met the woman.



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06 Nov 2009, 6:07 pm

the pages that dont load, are taken out they let you read a couple pages and then skip a bunch.

i just want to know if its just me that i took the text the wrong way or too personal because if this is so i will try the full book otherwize i wont bother getting it.



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06 Nov 2009, 6:37 pm

Wait, Mr Spock as in the Vulcan?


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06 Nov 2009, 7:13 pm

Uggh, makes me cringe when people compare people with AS to Mr. Spock. It gives the impression that we're some mechanical freaks with no common sense.



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06 Nov 2009, 7:51 pm

I have the book and read most of it. I am pretty indifferent to it. There are better books out there, but those are written by people with AS. 'The feeling is unmutual' is a fairly interesting one by a male. I also have a very well written book by an Australian aspie female, but I feel too lazy to get up and look at the title.



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06 Nov 2009, 8:21 pm

AceOfSpades wrote:
Uggh, makes me cringe when people compare people with AS to Mr. Spock. It gives the impression that we're some mechanical freaks with no common sense.


Mr. Spock has plenty of common sense and a lot of logic. His main deficiency (compared to Capt. Kirk, for example) is his inability to get past common sense and do something counter-intuitive.

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06 Nov 2009, 8:22 pm

AceOfSpades wrote:
Uggh, makes me cringe when people compare people with AS to Mr. Spock. It gives the impression that we're some mechanical freaks with no common sense.


Mr. Spock has plenty of common sense and a lot of logic. His main deficiency (compared to Capt. Kirk, for example) is his inability to get past common sense and do something counter-intuitive.

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06 Nov 2009, 10:47 pm

Not really; he'll do something counter-intuitive to other people if it's not counter-intuitive to him. He's just a very linear, detail-oriented thinker. Kirk is more right-brained. Think artist versus accountant.

Anyway, Spock makes a decent Aspie, but only if you remember that he's not the archetype for AS, just a decent example of how it might express itself.


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06 Nov 2009, 10:52 pm

Willard wrote:
I've heard of the book, don't know anything about it by reputation, but the title alone implies that everyone with AS (particularly males) are aloof, cold and emotionally detached.


Hey! I resemble that remark! :D

ScottF wrote:
Wait, Mr Spock as in the Vulcan?

Yes. Not to be confused with Mr Vulcan as in me. ;)



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07 Nov 2009, 12:43 am

Here's how a woman can love Mr. spock http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wtkWbKvSRY :lol:

To turn him into an N/T ....... @ 5 minute mark.



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08 Nov 2009, 3:46 pm

I read the book you are talking about and I personally didn't find it very helpful at all. One thing that I have learned is that having AS doesn't define everything about the person. It is just one aspect of that person. Everyone has their own personality and no two aspies are identical, just like no NTs are identical.

For example the guy with AS in the book had a routine of having sex with a random stranger that he met at bars on Saturday nights. This was obviously a big problem for his girlfriend, but that is certainly not something that every person with AS does.

What is most important I think is to realize that there are going to be communication issues in AS/NT relationships that are unique to those types of partnerships. Both people need to be patient and to trust their partner. I also think that it is very important for the NT partner to do some research on AS, but I prefer books that are more factual then those based on one individual's experience.



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08 Nov 2009, 4:13 pm

I read through about the first 30-40 pages, and the whole thing is based on one guy with AS. The author adds in every now and then that not all people with AS do whatever-she-just-described-him-doing, but it's still a story about him. I think it qualifies as a memoir rather than a general guide about AS-NT relationships.



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08 Nov 2009, 5:46 pm

Seriously.

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For example the guy with AS in the book had a routine of having sex with a random stranger that he met at bars on Saturday nights. This was obviously a big problem for his girlfriend, but that is certainly not something that every person with AS does.
I have NEVER heard of an Aspie who did that. Going to a bar is uncommon enough, but add to that picking up a random unpredictable stranger and taking them home to your very own private place to have unpredictable sex with? This is one weird Aspie.


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08 Nov 2009, 5:56 pm

Callista wrote:
Seriously.

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For example the guy with AS in the book had a routine of having sex with a random stranger that he met at bars on Saturday nights. This was obviously a big problem for his girlfriend, but that is certainly not something that every person with AS does.
I have NEVER heard of an Aspie who did that. Going to a bar is uncommon enough, but add to that picking up a random unpredictable stranger and taking them home to your very own private place to have unpredictable sex with? This is one weird Aspie.


That was just the aspie's personality. He couldn't stop because it was his routine but the personality part was he liked sex with different women. At least the person said not all aspies do it just so everyone knows it's not something that we all do.