when someone with AS lacks common sense, is this typical?

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15 Nov 2010, 7:19 pm

i was in a thread from this site for MI, and someone who was listed as having AS was asking a lot of questions and seemed to aside from having issues with etiquette seemed to lack common sense in his posts. this person was ridiculed with sarcasm and brutally honest posts by others. my not being certain if AS applies to me, i guess one could say these sort of things distinguish people with AS from neurotypicals? course it could have been a different issue, not AS.



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16 Nov 2010, 4:04 am

all i can say is generally speaking, in an AS community, lacking common sense is seen as a retardation.
it is to me anyway.
i don't blame Nts for it too much, because i know in their culture it is fairly accepted to replace common sense with "applying the rules no matter how senseless", but i have a harder time tolerating it in AS people.
It does exist though, but it's less prevalent thus less accepted.



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16 Nov 2010, 4:09 am

Common sense is so conformist. :P


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16 Nov 2010, 5:32 am

pensieve wrote:
Common sense is so conformist. :P


lol wait now i'm totally confused ! !
do i have maybe the wrong definition of "common sense"? i thought it was another word for "logic"! maybe because i'm french and i got mixed up?



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16 Nov 2010, 6:24 am

ediself wrote:
pensieve wrote:
Common sense is so conformist. :P


lol wait now i'm totally confused ! !
do i have maybe the wrong definition of "common sense"? i thought it was another word for "logic"! maybe because i'm french and i got mixed up?


It's "sens commun" or "bon sens" in French and as Voltaire said "Le sens commun est fort rare" (usually translated as common sense is not that common).

My own perception is that it is indeed quite rare - regardless of neurology - but people with AS are sometimes unaware of things that are obvious for everybody else, or need to be explained and rationally understand things that others understand instinctively.


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16 Nov 2010, 7:18 am

I had an accounting professor who told his class, "common sense involves two things. A common (shared) history and a willingness to face the truth." Many of us share a common history. It is the willingness to face the truth that many people find so difficult. Perhaps those of us with AS may have a bit more common sense from the perspective that we tend to be honest (to the point of being brutally honest). In general (certainly not all cases) AS people also tend to have a different perspective on things. This different perspective allows for avoiding conventions/paradigms which may appear as truth but do not fit with observable events.

The short answer is, "Yes". In general, AS people may have a slight bit more common sense. It just may seem a bit odd to NTs.



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16 Nov 2010, 11:16 am

Judging by some of the posts I have read on this web site I would have say it does indeed exist in autistic people. :wink:


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16 Nov 2010, 11:34 am

ediself wrote:
all i can say is generally speaking, in an AS community, lacking common sense is seen as a retardation.


that's an interesting comment.



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16 Nov 2010, 11:59 am

NullChamber wrote:
. . . someone who was listed as having AS . . . seemed to lack common sense in his posts.


In my opinion, your question cannot be accurately answered without more information. What was he/she doing that lacked common sense?

"Don't spit into the wind because it will blow back into your face," and, "That's much too trivial to correct the site administrator about and is wasting his time," could both be common sense. An Aspie would probably not need to be told the first one, but might not understand the second, even after it was explicitly spelled out for them. To them, common sense might say that any and all errors should be reported, and then corrected.



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16 Nov 2010, 12:22 pm

ediself wrote:
lol wait now i'm totally confused ! !
do i have maybe the wrong definition of "common sense"? i thought it was another word for "logic"!


no, it largely the opposite - "logic" is coming to a conclusion by a rational dedution, while "common sense" is the the things that we know without having to thik about that.



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16 Nov 2010, 12:35 pm

I am totally lost sometimes-sometimes you have to hit me with a 2x4 to make me understand or notice the obvious.


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16 Nov 2010, 3:25 pm

NullChamber wrote:
i was in a thread from this site for MI, and someone who was listed as having AS was asking a lot of questions and seemed to aside from having issues with etiquette seemed to lack common sense in his posts. this person was ridiculed with sarcasm and brutally honest posts by others. my not being certain if AS applies to me, i guess one could say these sort of things distinguish people with AS from neurotypicals? course it could have been a different issue, not AS.


I was a surprised too. It is a group effect: trying to protect the group. The visible minority gets shot. It's just human.


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16 Nov 2010, 3:36 pm

TPE2 wrote:
ediself wrote:
lol wait now i'm totally confused ! !
do i have maybe the wrong definition of "common sense"? i thought it was another word for "logic"!


no, it largely the opposite - "logic" is coming to a conclusion by a rational dedution, while "common sense" is the the things that we know without having to thik about that.


ow. well mixing this and sallamandrina's answer, ( about sens commun) i think either the french definition is slightly different or i always interpreted it wrongly when i read about it.
it's actually funny to think that whenever i read "come on now, you should know that, it's common sense!" i always infered it meant "logic". because if you should know something, it must be logical. or something.
i should have asked for some definitions from time to time i guess, but i thought my interpretation of the expression was just common sense !
:lol: :lol:



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16 Nov 2010, 3:44 pm

Sallamandrina wrote:

It's "sens commun" or "bon sens" in French and as Voltaire said "Le sens commun est fort rare" (usually translated as common sense is not that common).


wait, this might actually confirm my thinking that the french definition is closer to "logic" than "common knowledge" because the translation is more like "common sense is very rare".....ok i'm not going to get this out of my head until i check a dictionary. so i'm going to check and get back to you lol.

ok i got this:

Sens commun:
English
common sense (intelligence) sense (jugement) senses (intelligence) wisdom (intelligence, jugement)
so it leans more on the "judgement"side, less on the "common knowledge"part.
and yes, i will stop boring you with my exact meanings obsessions now :lol:

ok no :lol:
La notion de sens commun se rapporte à une forme de connaissance regroupant les savoirs socialement transmis et largement diffusées dans une culture donnée : normes, valeurs, et symboliques. Constituant une certaine interprétation de la réalité, le sens commun peut conduire à des incompréhensions lorsqu'il est l'objet d'un discours partagé. Le sens commun gère les interactions entre individus au sein d'une population, par un ensemble de règles qui sont tacitement admises et qui régulent les relations pour en permettre la continuité. Le sens commun désigne donc une forme de connaissance s'acquérant généralement par la socialisation, par opposition aux savoirs scientifiques qui exigent l'emploi de méthodes scientifiques.

you were right. it means acquired common knowledge etc, even in french, dude do i suck.
now i let it go ( god how annoying i can be....)



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16 Nov 2010, 4:01 pm

Common sense doesn't exist.

"Black people are inherently inferior to white people" used to be common sense.
"People in town have been seeing weird things. It must be witchcraft!" used to be common sense. (Back when ergot poisoning on wheat was a common problem and people didn't even know about ergot poisoning.)
"Those who disagree with the Church are evil heretics who should be burned before they lead everyone on the path to hell" used to be common sense.

When someone says "common sense" they mean "do it/believe it because everyone else does."



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16 Nov 2010, 4:23 pm

yeah i get it. it's cultural.
like when my dutch husband tells me his sister caught "a p**** cold " from "going out without panties.
cause that's how you get urinary tract infections in holland. I kid you not.

oh blanked out kitty.....