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14 Dec 2010, 9:14 am

A few questions I've been pondering. I'm curious how others see things.

1 - Why do you believe people with AS have obsessions? It's not just the intensity of our obsessions, but the unusualness of them. Why are we only interested in one thing, whilst NTs are interested in a range of things, and why is our one interest often so odd? Are NTs interested in similar things because their minds are very similar, or is it more cultural, and we're oblivious to cultural pressures?

2 - Do you agree with me that a feature of AS is emotional underdevelopment? If so, do we develop emotionally, only at a much slower rate? If you feel this way can you approximate your rate of development relative to your biological age? Please think carefully about this. A lot of Aspies say they only feel about 9, but they've got a decent job and a car; things that a 9-year old could never master.

In my case I estimate I was developing at about half the normal rate until I was 40, but then things speeded up dramatically (something just 'clicked') and I'm now developing at the normal rate, though I'll never catch up. Emotionally, I feel about 24 now (physically I'm 44), and I guess I'll always be 20 years behind, though I feel about 90% NT today, i.e. a slightly nerdish (though not much - my eccentricity has also largely evaporated) 24 year-old NT.

3 - My life hasn't been a complete tragedy, but I did miss out on a normal teenage life (emotionally I was only about 9-10 when I was 19, and I was pretty much disconnected from my NT peers at that point). Fortunately things did get better in my twenties, but it's sometimes hard to accept that I never enjoyed the teenage experiences that most people have. I guess there must be others on WP with similar feelings. How do you cope? I'm trying to cope by convincing myself that I'm just a very late developer and my best days are yet to come (40 is the new 20, blah, blah), but it's hard sometimes.

4 - Also, how would you explain Autism/Aspergers in a few sentences to someone who knew nothing about it?

Thanks :)

Sorry - 4 questions. :oops:



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14 Dec 2010, 9:42 am

Another_Alien wrote:
A few questions I've been pondering. I'm curious how others see things.

1 - Why do you believe people with AS have obsessions? It's not just the intensity of our obsessions, but the unusualness of them. Why are we only interested in one thing, whilst NTs are interested in a range of things, and why is our one interest often so odd? Are NTs interested in similar things because their minds are very similar, or is it more cultural, and we're oblivious to cultural pressures?

2 - Do you agree with me that a feature of AS is emotional underdevelopment? If so, do we develop emotionally, only at a much slower rate? If you feel this way can you approximate your rate of development relative to your biological age? Please think carefully about this. A lot of Aspies say they only feel about 9, but they've got a decent job and a car; things that a 9-year old could never master.

In my case I estimate I was developing at about half the normal rate until I was 40, but then things speeded up dramatically (something just 'clicked') and I'm now developing at the normal rate, though I'll never catch up. Emotionally, I feel about 24 now (physically I'm 44), and I guess I'll always be 20 years behind, though I feel about 90% NT today, i.e. a slightly nerdish (though not much - my eccentricity has also largely evaporated) 24 year-old NT.

3 - My life hasn't been a complete tragedy, but I did miss out on a normal teenage life (emotionally I was only about 9-10 when I was 19, and I was pretty much disconnected from my NT peers at that point). Fortunately things did get better in my twenties, but it's sometimes hard to accept that I never enjoyed the teenage experiences that most people have. I guess there must be others on WP with similar feelings. How do you cope? I'm trying to cope by convincing myself that I'm just a very late developer and my best days are yet to come (40 is the new 20, blah, blah), but it's hard sometimes.

4 - Also, how would you explain Autism/Aspergers in a few sentences to someone who knew nothing about it?

Thanks :)

Sorry - 4 questions. :oops:


Actually, you asked 8 questions. :lol:

I'll take a shot at #4.

An Autism Spectrum Disorder is a neurological variant that effects perception, processing and integration of information. This has effects, sometimes profound and debilitating, on social interaction and cognitive performance.


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14 Dec 2010, 9:45 am

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2 - Do you agree with me that a feature of AS is emotional underdevelopment?


As I see it, emotional underdevelopment is not a feature of AS, but a consequence. It's not a part of AS, but our difficulty connecting with others, which is a part of AS, tends to result in emotional underdevelopment.


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14 Dec 2010, 10:07 am

[quote="Another_Alien"]A few questions I've been pondering. I'm curious how others see things.

1 - Obsessions are emotional rewards shelters for the brain

2 - It's not an underdevelopment of emotions, it's an underdevelopment of communication. I feel angry, sad when I am not able to communicate like someone else. I do feel happy and satisfied when I succeed like anyone else.

3 - I'm different and I accept it, I don't have the same goals in life that the tacit ones that govern the NT world. It seems I was always respected for my solid convictions even if people disagreed with me.

4 - I think the best way is to explain: "what does it mean not to understand the intention of a conversation" by putting someone in your shoes.
I tried to do it with a drawing
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp3223581.html#3223581
That topic is one among many other who try to answer your question


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14 Dec 2010, 10:12 am

The reason I feel about 9 years old is because for some reason, I don't feel the need to be an integral part of a sick society. Kids think in a simple, straightforward manner, and adults over-complicate things to the point that they no longer understand them. Kids have a knack for thinking clearly simply because they relax and look at the situation at hand. It's amazing what you can come up with when you have a 22 year old mind that thinks objectively like a 9 year old does.

As for special interests, how many 9 year olds don't have special interests? Every kid is going to have an interest, but a kid will focus more on that interest if his or her peers are NOT interesting. That's what happens to people tat are ostracized from society, they go more and more into the comfort of what they know. So if a kid likes trains, and people don't accept him, he will go more and more into trains. My special interests have gotten less intense now that people accept me better. It was a proportional decrease too.

I was a late developer. I didn't figure things out until I was 21. Until then, I could watch a whole movie, and not know what was going on. Imagine a 20 year old not knowing the plot of a PG-13 movie! But I developed skepticism around this time, which was the thing I was missing. Critical thinking is a blend of skepticism and wonder, and I always had the wonder. But I didn't get skeptical until I met a guy at work that helped me question things. Once I started questioning things again (the same questions I used to ask when I was younger, mind you) I developed at a rapid rate. Well, I suppose what happened is I was able to understand the knowledge I had already gathered.



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14 Dec 2010, 10:48 am

Another_Alien wrote:
A few questions I've been pondering. I'm curious how others see things.

1 - Why do you believe people with AS have obsessions? It's not just the intensity of our obsessions, but the unusualness of them. Why are we only interested in one thing, whilst NTs are interested in a range of things, and why is our one interest often so odd? Are NTs interested in similar things because their minds are very similar, or is it more cultural, and we're oblivious to cultural pressures?

I'm interested in four things very much so but not to the exclusion of other things (other peoples interests). My theory is that we on the Spectrum tend to be more intense (speaking wise) than our NT peers, that the interest seems a lot more than it is especially when you add in some of us not seeing when a person is really bored. Also, when we have an interest is something (I think) we try to gather all the knowledge we can about it and I don't think that's the way NT's look at their interests (I'm not NT so I don't know for sure).

Another_Alien wrote:
2 - Do you agree with me that a feature of AS is emotional underdevelopment? If so, do we develop emotionally, only at a much slower rate? If you feel this way can you approximate your rate of development relative to your biological age? Please think carefully about this. A lot of Aspies say they only feel about 9, but they've got a decent job and a car; things that a 9-year old could never master.


I don't think that it's underdevelopment, I just think it's slower. I think that emotionally I'm ten years younger than I am but intellectually I always felt approx ten/fifteen years older, perhaps that's what the others mean too when they say they feel about nine?

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3 - My life hasn't been a complete tragedy, but I did miss out on a normal teenage life (emotionally I was only about 9-10 when I was 19, and I was pretty much disconnected from my NT peers at that point). Fortunately things did get better in my twenties, but it's sometimes hard to accept that I never enjoyed the teenage experiences that most people have. I guess there must be others on WP with similar feelings. How do you cope? I'm trying to cope by convincing myself that I'm just a very late developer and my best days are yet to come (40 is the new 20, blah, blah), but it's hard sometimes.


I did feel sad in my early twenties but I've gotten over it by realising that even if I did experience these things they wouldn't have met my expectations. I had built these experiences up in my head to be much more than they ever could be.

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4 - Also, how would you explain Autism/Aspergers in a few sentences to someone who knew nothing about it?


Aspergers is a neurological difference or disorder. It means that a person with AS will have difficulty with social situations, for example understanding social norms and reading body language are difficult. Also, reading body language is not innate to many on the Spectrum and thus requires extra effort in social situations, this can lead to a person on the Spectrum getting tired from prolonged social encounters. Many Aspies have one or more special interests, these interests can seem obsessive and can interest the person the the near exclusition of other interests.


Hope this has answered your questions well enough.



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14 Dec 2010, 10:52 am

I'll answer question # 1 for you.

Answer 1. My special interest is an interest that I've had for a very long time. I started enjoying the music of The Kinks at the age of 9, though I didn't know the name of the group, yet. I found out the name of the group that recorded all these songs about London and England by borrowing a record from the Kwantlen College library, 10 years later. I listened to the record and told my mum that I knew that there was a group that I liked more than The Beatles, the next day. The group is The Kinks.


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14 Dec 2010, 11:25 am

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In my case I estimate I was developing at about half the normal rate until I was 40, but then things speeded up dramatically (something just 'clicked') and I'm now developing at the normal rate, though I'll never catch up. Emotionally, I feel about 24 now (physically I'm 44), and I guess I'll always be 20 years behind, though I feel about 90% NT today, i.e. a slightly nerdish (though not much - my eccentricity has also largely evaporated) 24 year-old NT.


You just described me exactly. I think age 40 is the magical age...the age of enlightenment. It explains my "playful" view of jobs and careers. It explains the juvenile interactions with coworkers. It explains my "us vs. them" mentality regarding bosses and professors/teachers.



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14 Dec 2010, 11:25 am

I really appreciate these answers guys. I can’t respond to everyone, but:

Mysty – That’s an interesting viewpoint. You’ve got me thinking there. I do think Aspies lack emotional maturity relative to their biological age, however, which isn’t simply a consequence of being isolated. If we didn’t why would we become isolated in the first place? Maybe it’s a bit of both, i.e. catch 22?

SuperAspie – Thanks for the link.

Mindslave – I could have written your last paragraph myself (except for the guy at work, and I was older than 21 when I started to work things out). Do you feel, therefore, your emotional age/biological age ratio is locked at 9/22? In other words, do you expect to feel like an 18 year-old when you’re 42? One theory I’ve been toying with is that the severity of AS is partially determined by a ratio of this kind, i.e. the greater the ratio the more severe the AS. However, once we reach a certain point of ‘enlightenment’ the ratio can quickly fall, so we’re then developing at a normal rate. Does this make sense?

Anyone can respond to this, of course, not just Mindslave.

LostAlien – On the emotional/intellectual point: yes, I agree; it’s like one part of our brain is overdeveloped and the other part is underdeveloped. This makes things more frustrating because we know we have huge potential, but we can’t apply it. 

I guess you’re right about the teenage years not that being that great. Unless you’re the right ‘type’ of teenager (one of the ‘in crowd’) in the right place it probably isn’t that amazing.



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14 Dec 2010, 11:30 am

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You just described me exactly. I think age 40 is the magical age...the age of enlightenment. It explains my "playful" view of jobs and careers. It explains the juvenile interactions with coworkers. It explains my "us vs. them" mentality regarding bosses and professors/teachers.


Haha - my reply to Mindslave, with the reference to enlightment, was written before I read your reply. To be fair, though, I don't think there's a fixed age of enlightenment for everyone - it varies I'm sure. Sadly, some very severe Autistics never see the light.

As you're 6 years older than me can I ask how your life has gone since you saw the light? Give me some hope man. :lol:



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14 Dec 2010, 12:10 pm

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2 - It's not an underdevelopment of emotions, it's an underdevelopment of communication. I feel angry, sad when I am not able to communicate like someone else. I do feel happy and satisfied when I succeed like anyone else.


Without thinking about it, I took the initial question as talking about underdevelopment in skills dealing with emotions, not underdevelopment of emotions. So, let me clarify. It's lack of skills related to dealing with emotions that I think is often a consequence of AS. But there's no lack of emotions, though sometimes a disconnect from one's emotions.


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14 Dec 2010, 12:37 pm

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You just described me exactly. I think age 40 is the magical age...the age of enlightenment. It explains my "playful" view of jobs and careers. It explains the juvenile interactions with coworkers. It explains my "us vs. them" mentality regarding bosses and professors/teachers.


Haha - my reply to Mindslave, with the reference to enlightment, was written before I read your reply. To be fair, though, I don't think there's a fixed age of enlightenment for everyone - it varies I'm sure. Sadly, some very severe Autistics never see the light.

As you're 6 years older than me can I ask how your life has gone since you saw the light? Give me some hope man. :lol:


Getting suckered out of $600 to someone I thought was a friend ten years ago was the last straw. I think age 40 for me equated to an emotional age of 20, which is when most normal 20 year olds grow out of their teenaged naivity. I just figure that I now, at age 50, have the emotional/developmental age of a 30 year old. I've grown to be leary of strangers bearing gifts (so to speak) and to watch for ulterior motives. It's developed into an acceptable level of wariness... it's saved me a lot of hassles, but I miss the days of child-like open trust of others.


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14 Dec 2010, 12:39 pm

markko wrote:
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You just described me exactly. I think age 40 is the magical age...the age of enlightenment. It explains my "playful" view of jobs and careers. It explains the juvenile interactions with coworkers. It explains my "us vs. them" mentality regarding bosses and professors/teachers.


Haha - my reply to Mindslave, with the reference to enlightment, was written before I read your reply. To be fair, though, I don't think there's a fixed age of enlightenment for everyone - it varies I'm sure. Sadly, some very severe Autistics never see the light.

As you're 6 years older than me can I ask how your life has gone since you saw the light? Give me some hope man. :lol:


Getting suckered out of $600 to someone I thought was a friend ten years ago was the last straw. I think age 40 for me equated to an emotional age of 20, which is when most normal 20 year olds grow out of their teenaged naivity. I just figure that I now, at age 50, have the emotional/developmental age of a 30 year old. I've grown to be leary of strangers bearing gifts (so to speak) and to watch for ulterior motives. It's developed into an acceptable level of wariness... it's saved me a lot of hassles, but I miss the days of child-like open trust of others.


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14 Dec 2010, 12:39 pm

markko wrote:
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You just described me exactly. I think age 40 is the magical age...the age of enlightenment. It explains my "playful" view of jobs and careers. It explains the juvenile interactions with coworkers. It explains my "us vs. them" mentality regarding bosses and professors/teachers.


Haha - my reply to Mindslave, with the reference to enlightment, was written before I read your reply. To be fair, though, I don't think there's a fixed age of enlightenment for everyone - it varies I'm sure. Sadly, some very severe Autistics never see the light.

As you're 6 years older than me can I ask how your life has gone since you saw the light? Give me some hope man. :lol:


Getting suckered out of $600 to someone I thought was a friend ten years ago was the last straw. I think age 40 for me equated to an emotional age of 20, which is when most normal 20 year olds grow out of their teenaged naivity. I just figure that I now, at age 50, have the emotional/developmental age of a 30 year old. I've grown to be leary of strangers bearing gifts (so to speak) and to watch for ulterior motives. It's developed into an acceptable level of wariness... it's saved me a lot of hassles, but I miss the days of child-like open trust of others.


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14 Dec 2010, 12:39 pm

markko wrote:
Another_Alien wrote:
You just described me exactly. I think age 40 is the magical age...the age of enlightenment. It explains my "playful" view of jobs and careers. It explains the juvenile interactions with coworkers. It explains my "us vs. them" mentality regarding bosses and professors/teachers.


Haha - my reply to Mindslave, with the reference to enlightment, was written before I read your reply. To be fair, though, I don't think there's a fixed age of enlightenment for everyone - it varies I'm sure. Sadly, some very severe Autistics never see the light.

As you're 6 years older than me can I ask how your life has gone since you saw the light? Give me some hope man. :lol:


Getting suckered out of $600 to someone I thought was a friend ten years ago was the last straw. I think age 40 for me equated to an emotional age of 20, which is when most normal 20 year olds grow out of their teenaged naivity. I just figure that I now, at age 50, have the emotional/developmental age of a 30 year old. I've grown to be leary of strangers bearing gifts (so to speak) and to watch for ulterior motives. It's developed into an acceptable level of wariness... it's saved me a lot of hassles, but I miss the days of child-like open trust of others.


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markko wrote:
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You just described me exactly. I think age 40 is the magical age...the age of enlightenment. It explains my "playful" view of jobs and careers. It explains the juvenile interactions with coworkers. It explains my "us vs. them" mentality regarding bosses and professors/teachers.


Haha - my reply to Mindslave, with the reference to enlightment, was written before I read your reply. To be fair, though, I don't think there's a fixed age of enlightenment for everyone - it varies I'm sure. Sadly, some very severe Autistics never see the light.

As you're 6 years older than me can I ask how your life has gone since you saw the light? Give me some hope man. :lol:


Getting suckered out of $600 to someone I thought was a friend ten years ago was the last straw. I think age 40 for me equated to an emotional age of 20, which is when most normal 20 year olds grow out of their teenaged naivity. I just figure that I now, at age 50, have the emotional/developmental age of a 30 year old. I've grown to be leary of strangers bearing gifts (so to speak) and to watch for ulterior motives. It's developed into an acceptable level of wariness... it's saved me a lot of hassles, but I miss the days of child-like open trust of others.