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25 Mar 2011, 1:42 pm

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Declaring yourself to be operating by "Crocker's Rules" means that other people are allowed to optimize their messages for information, not for being nice to you. Crocker's Rules means that you have accepted full responsibility for the operation of your own mind - if you're offended, it's your fault. Anyone is allowed to call you a moron and claim to be doing you a favor. (Which, in point of fact, they would be. One of the big problems with this culture is that everyone's afraid to tell you you're wrong, or they think they have to dance around it.) Two people using Crocker's Rules should be able to communicate all relevant information in the minimum amount of time, without paraphrasing or social formatting. Obviously, don't declare yourself to be operating by Crocker's Rules unless you have that kind of mental discipline.
Note that Crocker's Rules does not mean you can insult people; it means that other people don't have to worry about whether they are insulting you. Crocker's Rules are a discipline, not a privilege. Furthermore, taking advantage of Crocker's Rules does not imply reciprocity. How could it? Crocker's Rules are something you do for yourself, to maximize information received - not something you grit your teeth over and do as a favor.

"Crocker's Rules" are named after Lee Daniel Crocker.*


It should be obvious that in general aspies operate on Crocker's Rules permanently. We expect others to communicate with high information density and little regard for extraneous material. It is a blessing and a curse. It would be lovely if everyone followed them, but the fact that they are not can be aggravating to no end.

Many do not know that our conversational habits are actually emulated by some people.

Declaring yourself to follow Crocker's Rules can do wonders for an argument in reaching a middle ground between aspies and NT's. In my experience, it makes clear to both parties that the argument is expected to be rational and informative. It has an interesting side-effect of making both parties more aware of what it means to logically convey a belief.

Next time you're in any weighty conversation, try invoking Crocker's Rules. I guarantee it'll make the argument more interesting, if nothing else.

* http://www.sl4.org/crocker.html


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25 Mar 2011, 1:49 pm

That's really interesting. I've never heard of it before.

But, I imagine that if I invoked crocker's rules in 99% of conversations, people would wonder if I meant we should wear raccoon tail hats.


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25 Mar 2011, 2:00 pm

Raccoon tail hats are always worn by those seeking rational discourse. Would you trust a philosopher lacking a robust and fluffy raccoon tail hat?


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25 Mar 2011, 2:16 pm

Crocker is a moron (allowed by the rules as I consider it true, therefore it is not a personal attack). Not all information can be transmitted by adhering to these rules. Some information is intrinsically irrational, while still entirely valid.

Some communication forms are used solely to communicate emotion. Poetry. My fist impacting your face.

Crocker's Rules denies a significant portion of human experience.

I suppose it would work really well for robots.


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25 Mar 2011, 3:34 pm

What a bunch of Crock.



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25 Mar 2011, 10:12 pm

Wavefreak, no one outside of Shakespearean characters and gangsta rappers argue in verse. Very few I suspect make declarations of love in PowerPoint presentations. An even smaller minority outlines a five stage plan for a kick in the nuts. Perhaps one person in history orgasmed via the application of symbolic logic, and the resulting explosion destroyed all evidence of this fact.

No, Crocker's Rules are only meant to apply in the specific area of people communicating with the attempt to persuade each other, by means of a sequence of statements logically connected, of rational arguments. The kicks and punches come later, after both parties find irreconcilable differences.


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