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26 May 2011, 6:30 am

I came up with an interesting analogy for what it feels like to have AS. I feel like I am the only one on the outside of a cage, inside of which everyone is having the greatest party of all (and they are all in pairs). They cannot get out (even thought they probably don't really care to) and I cannot get in. I desperately want to go in and have fun but there is no way for me to get in. I am forced to watch while everyone else gets to enjoy themselves. Yet at the same time I know they are prisoners while I am free. It gives me a chance to think of other possibilites out there (even though I can see nothing else but the cage and everyone having fun inside). I feel that I am different, something else, something better, superior but I STILL want to join them. Alas, this is my curse.



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26 May 2011, 6:39 am

I feel exactly the same about being on the outside, unable to get in. I also feel free in some ways, like being able to question social conventions. But I don't feel superior. Just different.



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26 May 2011, 8:08 am

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I came up with an interesting analogy for what it feels like to have AS. I feel like I am the only one on the outside of a cage, inside of which everyone is having the greatest party of all (and they are all in pairs). They cannot get out (even thought they probably don't really care to) and I cannot get in. I desperately want to go in and have fun but there is no way for me to get in. I am forced to watch while everyone else gets to enjoy themselves. Yet at the same time I know they are prisoners while I am free. It gives me a chance to think of other possibilites out there (even though I can see nothing else but the cage and everyone having fun inside). I feel that I am different, something else, something better, superior but I STILL want to join them. Alas, this is my curse.


You lose me when you say they are prisoners and you are free and that you are superior. This is a divisive point of view, essentially the type of thinking that allows bullying and other such nonsense.


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26 May 2011, 8:26 am

I always see a little boy with his nose lightly touching a window, but I am seeing him from the inside while realizing he is actually myself looking in.

Being brilliant does not make someone superior.


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26 May 2011, 8:35 am

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I always see a little boy with his nose lightly touching a window, but I am seeing him from the inside while realizing he is actually myself looking in.

Being brilliant does not make someone superior.

That's weird. I also imagine looking through glass. Except it's a sheet of glass within a room, separating me from everyone else.

Not sure I'd call myself 'brilliant' though. I think I'm 'okay'.



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26 May 2011, 8:49 am

Alien perspectives analogy.

I've been playing the outsider role since 5 , by standing aside, as in 'looking in over the shoulders'-- always thinking about the various mechanisms of our existence.

There seems to be a place in the 'high country of the mind' that isn't reached or traveled on by most everyday folk.

I've noted some personal strengths, and deficits such as bonding.



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26 May 2011, 8:53 am

leejosepho wrote:
I always see a little boy with his nose lightly touching a window, but I am seeing him from the inside while realizing he is actually myself looking in.

Being brilliant does not make someone superior.


I used to say it was like a kid with his face pressed up against the glass of a candy store. Then I changed it to being in the candy store, but not being able to smell or taste the candy.


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26 May 2011, 9:11 am

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leejosepho wrote:
I always see a little boy with his nose lightly touching a window, but I am seeing him from the inside while realizing he is actually myself looking in.

Being brilliant does not make someone superior.

I used to say it was like a kid with his face pressed up against the glass of a candy store. Then I changed it to being in the candy store, but not being able to smell or taste the candy.

Yes, the candy store scenario is what I have in mind there, but I can only see myself looking in and without even knowing what is inside.

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Not sure I'd call myself 'brilliant' though. I think I'm 'okay'.

It is not that I call myself brilliant, but that other people have done so ...

... and my personal dilemma there used to be feeling like I had to "dumb down" quite a bit in order to try to fit in just about anywhere ...

... and then, of course, my candor in even just mentioning that only exacerbates the problem.


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26 May 2011, 9:46 am

birdsandbugs wrote:
I came up with an interesting analogy for what it feels like to have AS. I feel like I am the only one on the outside of a cage, inside of which everyone is having the greatest party of all (and they are all in pairs). They cannot get out (even thought they probably don't really care to) and I cannot get in. I desperately want to go in and have fun but there is no way for me to get in. I am forced to watch while everyone else gets to enjoy themselves. Yet at the same time I know they are prisoners while I am free. It gives me a chance to think of other possibilites out there (even though I can see nothing else but the cage and everyone having fun inside). I feel that I am different, something else, something better, superior but I STILL want to join them. Alas, this is my curse.

Over the years, I've managed to pick the lock and get into the cage.

You know something? They're not really having all that much fun. Mostly, they're afraid that if anyone notices they're not acting like the rest of the crowd, they'll have to leave the cage, and that terrifies them. Most of them can't even begin to comprehend that some of us aren't anxious to spend our lives cooped up with them.


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26 May 2011, 9:49 am

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It is not that I call myself brilliant, but that other people have done so ...


This is something I'm going through recently. Apparently my Theory of Mind is so broken that I've had almost no idea how other people perceive me. I've recently been told several times in several different contexts and manners that I am 'brilliant' but I've only always thought of myself as somewhat smarter than average. It's been very confusing lately. Not only is my conceptualization of other people faulty do to TOM deficits, but my own sense of self is distorted.


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26 May 2011, 9:57 am

wavefreak58 wrote:
leejosepho wrote:
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It is not that I call myself brilliant, but that other people have done so ...

This is something I'm going through recently. Apparently my Theory of Mind is so broken that I've had almost no idea how other people perceive me. I've recently been told several times in several different contexts and manners that I am 'brilliant' but I've only always thought of myself as somewhat smarter than average. It's been very confusing lately. Not only is my conceptualization of other people faulty do to TOM deficits, but my own sense of self is distorted.

I do not have answers here, so whenever the matter might come up, I just tell people I am a bit like "Rainman": Brilliantly dumb or dumbly brilliant, you pick!

Seriously thought, the people who have used the word "brilliant" have almost always said that while pondering contrasts my wife mentions in this way:

"He seldom makes mistakes, but they are typically very big ones when he does."


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26 May 2011, 10:22 am

My analogy is that if Everyone is a computer. I'm a super computer with no mouse. Sure i can process everything ten times faster, but it takes me an hour to figure out how to empty the recycling bin, and i had to devolpe special simple software just to interact easily with other computers.



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26 May 2011, 10:28 am

ShadeX wrote:
My analogy is that if Everyone is a computer. I'm a super computer with no mouse. Sure i can process everything ten times faster, but it takes me an hour to figure out how to empty the recycling bin, and i had to devolpe special simple software just to interact easily with other computers.

Nicely said!

Keyboards can get things done, but my fingers just stumble around way too much.


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26 May 2011, 10:46 am

Don't get the wrong idea here folks. I didn't mean to come off as saying I'm superior. I feel like that SOMETIMES, but it is just my way of making myself feel better since I have incredible frustrations trying to get a sex life and whatnot. Kind of a self-defense measure.



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26 May 2011, 10:51 am

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Don't get the wrong idea here folks. I didn't mean to come off as saying I'm superior. I feel like that SOMETIMES, but it is just my way of making myself feel better since I have incredible frustrations trying to get a sex life and whatnot. Kind of a self-defense measure.

For one reason or another, I would guess you are not alone there. Personally, I so often used to want to "just be like everybody else", but then sometimes the stakes just seemed way too high.


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26 May 2011, 11:06 am

Don't take it personally, but I'm not really "feeling" this analogy. I don't feel everyone else is having more fun than me. I have my ways of having fun, they have theirs. My kind of fun revolves around pursuing my special interests. Theirs may revolve around other things. A couple of years ago I learned French, and then I went to the French-speaking part of Switzerland and I could understand what everyone was saying. That, for me, is fun. I also love animals. Finding a tortoise in the desert and following it around for a couple of hours to see what it does is extremely fun.