*article* Arrested LulzSec hacker has Asperger's Syndrome

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28 Jun 2011, 9:15 pm

I just read about this, and thought I'd share it with you all for discussion.
Pretty messed up if you ask me... of course they scapegoat the aspie guy... :(

from bbcnews:
Hacking suspect Ryan Cleary 'has Asperger's syndrome'


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28 Jun 2011, 9:19 pm

Wow. So this hacker does a DDOS against a law enforcement agency, and the big headline is that he's an Aspie.

The news is ridiculous.



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28 Jun 2011, 9:30 pm

I had already guessed he had Aspergers from the original article on this case, where they did not mention it.


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28 Jun 2011, 10:20 pm

Aspergers isn't a factor. He was competent to know what he was getting into. It's not like someone used a social setting to frame him.


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28 Jun 2011, 10:35 pm

Don't use Asperger's Syndrome as an excuse to coddle criminals.


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29 Jun 2011, 9:05 am

Acacia wrote:
I just read about this, and thought I'd share it with you all for discussion.
Pretty messed up if you ask me... of course they scapegoat the aspie guy... :(

from bbcnews:
Hacking suspect Ryan Cleary 'has Asperger's syndrome'


How is getting caught being scapegoated? If he did the deed, there is no scapegoating. Do you really think they aren't going after others as well?


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29 Jun 2011, 10:29 am

wavefreak58 wrote:
Acacia wrote:
I just read about this, and thought I'd share it with you all for discussion.
Pretty messed up if you ask me... of course they scapegoat the aspie guy... :(

from bbcnews:
Hacking suspect Ryan Cleary 'has Asperger's syndrome'


How is getting caught being scapegoated? If he did the deed, there is no scapegoating. Do you really think they aren't going after others as well?



There was around 4000 plus people, all in the DDos efforts, not only the government, and paypal but also music distributors , churches, banks, credit card servicing companies, newspapers any one who published lies about the ‘group’ and wikileaks , Several of the Chans were posting for script-kiddies to run software to build control botnets, and he, this kid, will take the rap for the damage that the collective known as Anonymous.
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29 Jun 2011, 11:14 am

While I do not think that having Asperger's Disorder should make the headlines, it is something to consider, and I say that as someone who does have legal expertise. We do not know any circumstances, and given the nature of the disorder, it cannot be outruled that he was doli incapax. Some people with the syndrome, especially those who operate in absolutely no direct social environment, can be easily manipulated, especially if they have a certain talent. It is not out of the ordinary that even neurotypical people get fixated over something, because they get recognition for it, something that is denied to them in their "real" life, and at one point or another, any human being craves, and it is imaginable that a human being with a mental disorder that isolates him or her from the rest of society is easily exploitable in this regard. It is not an excuse, but I think being on the autism spectrum can severely add up to a bigger picture that, in the end, is not worthy of criminal punishment.



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29 Jun 2011, 11:36 am

The guy I use to play Dungeons and Dragons with was High Function Autistic it turned out he was hiding an arrest for child molestation and possession of child pornography when I did a google search of his name and his sex offender status popped up he also had hidden cameras in the bathrooms of the computershop he worked at. I also found court documents where his lawyer tried to blame it all on his autism. I knew this guy for two years before finding about his autism he was a very socialable out going person. I was suprised when he told me he had HFA. There is no way his autism affected his sexual preferences He acted too NT.


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29 Jun 2011, 11:53 am

I don't see why people are getting bent out of shape for he probably will be doing federal time. Federal prisons are better than state prisons. I would do federal time if I had to without any worries. If your really upset about this guy going to prison then put money on his commisaary accounts when he goes to prison I think you can also send him packages that you can pay for on a web site and they will send them to him. When you have a friend that goes to prison sending him/her a letter is nice but putting cash on his books is a life saver it really makes a difference in their quality of life.

He will probably be railroaded and made an example of by the feds, but at least he will be doing federal time. He might be able to get a lucrative consultant job helping corporations defend against cyber attacks when he gets out. While there he will be able to take college courses his autism might help him jump the waiting list for job training. The best way to win against the government is to hold your head up high when they send you away and come out smiling when you get out to show them their punishment was not s**t to you. He could come out of this stronger if uses his time right. I have two friends who went away for a little bit and got welding training while on the inside and now they are doing very well for themselves. I would imagine someone with computer skills could do even better.


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29 Jun 2011, 12:00 pm

Todesking wrote:
I don't see why people are getting bent out of shape for he probably will be doing federal time. Federal prisons are better than state prisons. I would do federal time if I had to without any worries. If your really upset about this guy going to prison then put money on his commisaary accounts when he goes to prison I think you can also send him packages that you can pay for on a web site and they will send them to him. When you have a friend that goes to prison sending him/her a letter is nice but putting cash on his books is a life saver it really makes a difference in their quality of life.

He will probably be railroaded and made an example of by the feds, but at least he will be doing federal time. He might be able to get a lucrative consultant job helping corporations defend against cyber attacks when he gets out. While there he will be able to take college courses his autism might help him jump the waiting list for job training. The best way to win against the government is to hold your head up high when they send you away and come out smiling when you get out to show them their punishment was not sh** to you. He could come out of this stronger if uses his time right. I have two friends who went away for a little bit and got welding training while on the inside and now they are doing very well for themselves. I would imagine someone with computer skills could do even better.

He's British, facing crimes under British law, and may serve his time in a British Jail.



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29 Jun 2011, 12:06 pm

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He's British, facing crimes under British law, and may serve his time in a British Jail.


Whilst I entirely agree with the message I must correct a minor detail:

It is English law. There is no such thing as British law. England and Wales have English law, whilst the Scots have Scottish law.



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29 Jun 2011, 2:35 pm

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He's British, facing crimes under British law, and may serve his time in a British Jail.


Then put money on his comisarry accounts in the British prison system. Having things in prison can help with your stay in prison go easier a simple treat of snack foods got my friends through their stays. You can also trade for things while in prison with stuff you purchase in the prison store. I don't know if they have comissary accounts in England do a goggle search and find out. He most likely will be sent up the river if you are so passionate about him send him money to buy things in prison or send him stamps to write letters of appeal or to communicate with the outside. Bitching about it on a message board gets you no where. Making statements like we are legion only makes you look silly find out where you could write him send him a letter and a self addressed stamped envelope so he can write you back. If he is being held somewhere he is probably bored out of his mind and would appreciate someone writing him.


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29 Jun 2011, 3:34 pm

nemorosa wrote:
Tadpole wrote:
He's British, facing crimes under British law, and may serve his time in a British Jail.


Whilst I entirely agree with the message I must correct a minor detail:

It is English law. There is no such thing as British law. England and Wales have English law, whilst the Scots have Scottish law.


This confuses me. Are you talking penal codes, or law in general? Because I entertained the view that laws passed by the United Kindgom Parliament (e.g.: Companies Act 2006) applied to all of the United Kingdom. So, technically, that would be British law. Or am I wrong in that case?



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29 Jun 2011, 4:31 pm

starryeyedvoyager wrote:
nemorosa wrote:
Tadpole wrote:
He's British, facing crimes under British law, and may serve his time in a British Jail.


Whilst I entirely agree with the message I must correct a minor detail:

It is English law. There is no such thing as British law. England and Wales have English law, whilst the Scots have Scottish law.


This confuses me. Are you talking penal codes, or law in general? Because I entertained the view that laws passed by the United Kindgom Parliament (e.g.: Companies Act 2006) applied to all of the United Kingdom. So, technically, that would be British law. Or am I wrong in that case?


It's complicated. Whilst the Parliament of the United Kingdom can pass legislation that affects all countries in the UK Scotland retains it's own distinctive legal system (as does Northern Ireland I believe). To cite your example, the Companies act 2006 would still be under Scottish jurisdiction in the territory of Scotland. It is meaningless to refer to something as "British law".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_law



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29 Jun 2011, 6:19 pm

The Scottish (or at least the SNP) tend to get pissed off if Britain passes a law that affects Scotland and the Scottish government doesn't get a say. Even though there are Scottish MPs at Westminister. And no English equivalent. It's like if Alaska support a law for the other 49 states but opt out of it themselves, with, say, New Jersey unable to opt out.