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09 Jul 2011, 12:55 pm

I have a problem with delays in my thoughts and in speech. I am wondering how common this is and if I can find some information about it. At the moment I can't find anything. A psychologist said that it generally could take 10 seconds for thoughts to come through with Aspergers but did not elaborate. Does anyone have any information about this subject?



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09 Jul 2011, 1:45 pm

Alright, one thing that has helped me socially is to make a conscious effort to turn down my internal censor (which I think we all have, both "normal" and those of us who are on the spectrum! :D ) so that my default setting is that it's probably okay to say it, unless it really jumps out at me that it's inappropriate.



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09 Jul 2011, 2:49 pm

I used to be bullied by one of my cousins for being slow-minded. Anytime he understood a conversational situation right away while I struggled to, he would say "This doesn't need a diploma to comprehend". I was attending the uni while he wasn't even close to...


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09 Jul 2011, 3:06 pm

Adamantus wrote:
I have a problem with delays in my thoughts and in speech. I am wondering how common this is and if I can find some information about it. At the moment I can't find anything. A psychologist said that it generally could take 10 seconds for thoughts to come through with Aspergers but did not elaborate. Does anyone have any information about this subject?


Unfortunately, no information (unless Tony Attwood covered it in his book / I think he did), but I also exhibit delayed thought & speech in different settings. The severity depends on mood-stress level-persons around. Until my parents learned of my AS, it used to drive them up the wall that I wasn't speaking as quickly as them!


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09 Jul 2011, 3:53 pm

The cognitive delays that come with AS are quite common and in my opinion is one of the factors that lies at the very root of so many of the other effects of AS. It probably isn't given enough research because I think it is of huge significance. With me the duration varies and is usually quite mild if present at all, but at times it can take me hours or even a whole day to fully comprehend what I have just experienced. I always dislike being forced to make quick decisions (unless it is something I can do by instinct alone, in which case I am usually lightning fast) because I know that I will probably change my mind once the thought has been fully processed.

One example that stands out in my mind happened about a year ago when a doctor talked me into allowing him to run a CAT scan on me to satisfy his curiosity following a totally botched diagnosis at which time two CAT scans adn an MRI scan were run on me. I had a mild intestinal infection that was eventually fixed with a $35 bottle of oral antibiotics plus real food, but the doctors fabricated a flawed diagnosis of pancreatitis. Anyhow, I initially agreed to the extra CAT scan, but less than a day later felt totally opposed to it and absolutely refused to accept it.

In 1995 a lover dumped me in favor of a wealthy barhopper. At the time he wanted to still be my friend but not my lover and I half agreed. By the time he got home 30 minutes later and called me, the thought of it registered in my mind and I could not bear the thought of being that extra person who was only an optional accessory after 15 months of emotions. I told him so and he could not understand why since 30 minutes earlier I had agreed to just be a friend from that point on.

I have a video of another Aspie that shows this delay measurably (2 seconds in that case). Our paths crossed and he looked back at me at which time I waved to him. He did not react, turned around and walked on forward. Two seconds later he turned back around to look at me again and waved to me in response to my wave to him two seconds earlier.



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09 Jul 2011, 3:53 pm

Say for instance I'm reading something and trying to remember what to do then I'll just look at the words and find no meaning to go with them. If I strain like crazy I'll get the meaning in a couple of seconds but it really hurts. Instead if I wait long enough the meaning comes through but I'm only able to practice this whilst alone.



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09 Jul 2011, 3:57 pm

I definitely have a thought delay. If I'm asked a question it will take me a little while to understand what the person is asking me, even if it's something as simple as what time is it. Then it will take me more time to figure out a reply and put my answer into words. If I'm stressed or confused by the question everything breaks down and I end up sounding like I'm an idiot. This probably contributes to some problems communicating at work. I wish I could come up with a way to not be perceived as incompetant, when it just takes me longer to process information and respond than an NT.



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09 Jul 2011, 3:58 pm

I usually cant think in the middle of a situation. I have to go to my room somewhere were im alone and not under any time pressure that I can think about how I want torespond. I've already responded usually so its kind of annoying!

Auditory processing deficiency could also play a part in understanding a situation where words are involved.



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09 Jul 2011, 4:01 pm

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The cognitive delays that come with AS are quite common and in my opinion is one of the factors that lies at the very root of so many of the other effects of AS. It probably isn't given enough research because I think it is of huge significance. With me the duration varies and is usually quite mild if present at all, but at times it can take me hours or even a whole day to fully comprehend what I have just experienced. I always dislike being forced to make quick decisions (unless it is something I can do by instinct alone, in which case I am usually lightning fast) because I know that I will probably change my mind once the thought has been fully processed.

One example that stands out in my mind happened about a year ago when a doctor talked me into allowing him to run a CAT scan on me to satisfy his curiosity following a totally botched diagnosis at which time two CAT scans adn an MRI scan were run on me. I had a mild intestinal infection that was eventually fixed with a $35 bottle of oral antibiotics plus real food, but the doctors fabricated a flawed diagnosis of pancreatitis. Anyhow, I initially agreed to the extra CAT scan, but less than a day later felt totally opposed to it and absolutely refused to accept it.

In 1995 a lover dumped me in favor of a wealthy barhopper. At the time he wanted to still be my friend but not my lover and I half agreed. By the time he got home 30 minutes later and called me, the thought of it registered in my mind and I could not bear the thought of being that extra person who was only an optional accessory after 15 months of emotions. I told him so and he could not understand why since 30 minutes earlier I had agreed to just be a friend from that point on.

I have a video of another Aspie that shows this delay measurably (2 seconds in that case). Our paths crossed and he looked back at me at which time I waved to him. He did not react, turned around and walked on forward. Two seconds later he turned back around to look at me again and waved to me in response to my wave to him two seconds earlier.


Interesting. I have also experienced the longer delays. It's like you listen to what someone else says and then sometimes years later you realise what they mean. I tend to think of this like a digital camera. An NT is like a normal digital camera. Take the picture, get it on the screen straight away with all the benefits of speed, an autistic is like the same camera but with the exposure set really long. You get the picture back with loads more detail but by then it may be out of date information. I find I get home and realise what I should have said as an answer but too late.



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09 Jul 2011, 4:06 pm

Idon't really have thought delays, if anything I think too fast. I do have a slight speech delay though.


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09 Jul 2011, 4:14 pm

I frequently have speech delays. I do often have thought delays as well.


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09 Jul 2011, 4:22 pm

With me it can be different depending on occasion, how tired I am, and what the topic is.

For example: When in the street a random stranger says something to me, it could take 10 seconds to come up with a bad response, even more to come up with an adequate response. Partly because I'm off completely in my own world at those times.

Yet when I'm talking about a subject that I know stuff about I can continue talking, and even analyze certain things while talking. Yet the moment someone adds a viewpoint, I often do require to properly think that over and put it within perspective, which can lead to a delay of several seconds.



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09 Jul 2011, 5:06 pm

My thoughts stutter, but I don't know if I have a thought delay. I do have quite the processing delay...



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09 Jul 2011, 5:08 pm

My thoughts stutter, but I don't know if I have a thought delay. I do have quite the processing delay...



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09 Jul 2011, 6:52 pm

i have this too even though and i'm far from stupid sometimes it makes me feel/look it. i didn't realise it was related until quite recently.

&i enjoyed reading this post:

TTRSage wrote:
The cognitive delays that come with AS are quite common and in my opinion is one of the factors that lies at the very root of so many of the other effects of AS. It probably isn't given enough research because I think it is of huge significance. With me the duration varies and is usually quite mild if present at all, but at times it can take me hours or even a whole day to fully comprehend what I have just experienced. I always dislike being forced to make quick decisions (unless it is something I can do by instinct alone, in which case I am usually lightning fast) because I know that I will probably change my mind once the thought has been fully processed.

One example that stands out in my mind happened about a year ago when a doctor talked me into allowing him to run a CAT scan on me to satisfy his curiosity following a totally botched diagnosis at which time two CAT scans adn an MRI scan were run on me. I had a mild intestinal infection that was eventually fixed with a $35 bottle of oral antibiotics plus real food, but the doctors fabricated a flawed diagnosis of pancreatitis. Anyhow, I initially agreed to the extra CAT scan, but less than a day later felt totally opposed to it and absolutely refused to accept it.

In 1995 a lover dumped me in favor of a wealthy barhopper. At the time he wanted to still be my friend but not my lover and I half agreed. By the time he got home 30 minutes later and called me, the thought of it registered in my mind and I could not bear the thought of being that extra person who was only an optional accessory after 15 months of emotions. I told him so and he could not understand why since 30 minutes earlier I had agreed to just be a friend from that point on.

I have a video of another Aspie that shows this delay measurably (2 seconds in that case). Our paths crossed and he looked back at me at which time I waved to him. He did not react, turned around and walked on forward. Two seconds later he turned back around to look at me again and waved to me in response to my wave to him two seconds earlier.



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09 Jul 2011, 7:25 pm

I often come across as slow to other people. For some reason, everything that is heard or seen has to be rebuilt in detail and from the ground up in my own mind, like disassembly and reassembly, before it can be understood or responded to. Otherwise, it's all vague and unreal to me. People have commented on it without knowing that I had AS.