Asperger's and Lack of Feeling/Morals?
I am the mother of a 16 year old girl who was diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome two years ago. In many ways hyperlexia (a division of Aspergers', for those who are unaware) read like a description of her exactly.
However, in my research and experience there is one thing in particular that unnerves me.
Aspies seem to be often represented as sweet but socially clueless individuals who have strong morals, even if they are bit off-color. I have raised my daughter in a devoutly Catholic home, and aside from some divorce and brief instability in her childhood, she has been taught strong faith and morals. However, she seems to be missing something, a conscience? Something human. For one thing, she lies frequently and cheats and steals without remorse or limit. Her dishonesty is frightening and does not discriminate when it comes to even close friends and family. It seems she's doing this a little bit less as she gets older, but I suspect she's just getting better at not getting caught. She's seemingly incapable of leaving the house and actually going where she says she'll be. She shoplifts ridiculously and is never caught; over the past three years I'm certain she's stolen over a thousand dollars worth of cosmetics, books, food, clothing and other trinkets. She lies to such an extent that sometimes I've read her journal and found made-up stories in there -- it's as if she lies to herself.
A significant problem is with boys and men. My daughter has little to no social life because of her social awkwardness and also because of a lack of interest, but she is extremely pretty, tall and thin and a sharp dresser and goes through boyfriends, many much too old for her, with alarming frequency. She doesn't seem to care or have any interest in them aside from things that they can provide her with, such as money (she targets rich older men); and they always get over their initial infatuation and scram fast when they realize how "weird" she is.
Though she doesn't have much of an interest in the opposite sex, there is one serious problem. It occurred first when she was 13, and she developed what we thought was her first "crush", and we were honestly a bit relieved. However, she didn't go to school with the boy who lived in our neighborhood and didn't know how to approach him appropriately. Without my knowledge, she invented this insane story about being part of a secret government organization and took it so far with threats and craziness over the span of several months that the boy's parents ended up calling the police on her. At 16, the awful "crush" struck again, and she developed an obsession with this gorgeous Puerto Rican kid from her new high school. Through manipulation and sneakiness she was able to secure him as her boyfriend, but I was disconcerted by the way she referred to him in her journal as "the Object" and "it" and not a human being. This kid was a happy, healthy, normal popular kid and dumped her after about a month, as usual. My daughter could not accept this and started calling/texting him dozens of times a day. She spread vicious rumors about him and slapped him in the face in public. She went to his employer and claimed he had sexually harassed her, getting him fired; discreetly ruined his car; planted hallucinogens in his car before anonymously tipping off his college (we're not sure yet whether he'll be expelled and facing charges); poisoned and killed his new litter of shih tzu puppies; stole and destroyed his iPod and phone (that's a lot of damages on top of ruining his car!!); and finally broke into his house one night after purchasing a tarantula and giant scorpion for $15 each from the local pet store and released them on his pillow with a note reading "Hell Hath No Fury Like the Woman Scorned." In an e-mail to a very unhealthy friend, she made it clear that she had planned in detail many ways in which she could murder him and was confident she could get away with it, but wouldn't do so so as not to jeopardize her future.
Last year we sent her to boarding school with excellent security and she managed to run away. True to form, she was found two days later at the public library immersed in stacks of books. We think her time there was beneficial but I'm still worried since she's still doing these crazy things.
My daughter is extremely intelligent. She taught herself to read at three without my knowledge; I bought her a learn-to-read book to get a headstart on kindergarten, and when I went to teach her the alphabet she astounded us by clearly reading aloud all the words in the book. I send her to retreats and religious events, and I've had deeply intelligent adults tell me they've never met someone who could dig so theologically deep and profound, especially not at her age. She devours books of all types.
Extreme beauty and extreme brains, but there are so many dark sides. Despite her power to be intensely collected and calculating, there are times when I can't even speak to her because she explodes in temper tantrums and literally sounds like a 2-year-old, and you literally have to talk to her like she is one. She cries hysterically and pounds her head against the wall over the smallest things; completely irrational. She's obsessed with looking perfect and has that distinctly Aspergian(?) fixation with lists and schedules and rules; she can spend entire days studying complicated recipes for what type of clothing looks best with her body type and colors with skin tone and subconscious messages and such, she follows extreme beauty regimens that are planned with detail down to the minute they must be performed and precisely how many squirts of what should be used, etc. She's obsessed with the "perfect" body measurements and is never without her measuring tape to ensure that her waist doesn't expand past the specifications and the hourglass is maintained. God help you if something goes out of balance -- it's the end of the world. She has so many rules about what she has to do at what times, every day is intensely structured to the point that if we leave 10 minutes later than expected she pouts like a baby and acts ridiculous.
She has caused me so much stress that it is nearly unbelievable, on top of two older siblings with their own slew of issues. I'm worried also because she'll be eighteen soon and has proved to have very poor judgement. I'm afraid to know what she'll do with the independence she wants so badly.
This is all very stressful for me. I was wondering if anyone else experiences these types of symptoms/behaviours with their children.
What you described sounds like a cluster B personality disorder, not like behavior on the autism spectrum. While she may have Aspergers, that wouldn't explain some of the behaviors that are freaking you out.
You might want to take a look at antisocial personality disorder, or borderline personality disorder specifically.
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What you described sounds like a cluster B personality disorder, not like behavior on the autism spectrum. While she may have Aspergers, that wouldn't explain some of the behaviors that are freaking you out.
You might want to take a look at antisocial personality disorder, or borderline personality disorder specifically.
Agreed. The problems she has don't sound like they have much to do with Asperger's...and more with antisocial personality disorder and perhaps something else.
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I have to agree with the others here, so far. But the good thing is that now you can do research into these other diagnoses, and educate yourself about them. Then, you can take action; get her the counseling and guidance that she will need. With proper intervention, there may be hope for a brighter future for you both.
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I am sorry, but I must agree with the others here...although she may well have Aspergers, it definitely sounds as if something else is playing a role, as in my experience here and in real life, aspies usually have pretty strong morals and do not behave in the way she has, which does indeed suggest she is lacking a conscience. I find it very disturbing she would refer to others as 'objects' and it does make me think towards sociopathy-psychopathy especially. She does not make me think borderline personality disorder.
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I have to say the manipulation and being good at lying seem wildly out of character for Asperger's. If she's become a successful manipulator then I'd have to agree with others. Aspergians really do lack that kind of social awareness that's required for manipulative behaviors to be successful. She reminds of some consumers I've worked with in the past in services and I'd guess BPD potentially with some schizophreniform process needing to be ruled out. The weird stories sound quite a bit like that.
People with antisocial personality disorder can become successful. The important thing is usually that they learn that it is to their own benefit to act in a pro-social manner.
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Yeah, I'll admit that I've always wanted the perfect opportunity to say something like that, but in this case, it is true. I could never hurt anyone (unless they hurt me, of course then that's retaliation), and I don't steal things. I try to be the "good guy." My parents are atheists. They never taught me morals. They never told me stealing was bad. All I know is that it's against the law, and I'm not a rule breaker unless I absolutely have to be.
Maybe this is what you want to hear. Maybe it isn't. I have no idea if I'm helping at all; I'm not a psychic. That is just the way I see it from my own perspective. All I can say for certain is this: I'm glad I'm not a parent, and the fear of having psychopathic offspring is the primary reason I don't ever want to have children.
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Thank you for your responses. The only thing I'd like to bring up is that, maybe it's just blindness on my part but my daughter can at times be very caring. She seems to really enjoy when we take her to volunteer at homeless shelters and with the elderly. She loves babysitting her little nieces. She appears to be caring at times. Is this just me being naive? I never fail to be blown away by how intricately deceptive she can be at times. I'd like to think she has some degree of familial loyalty; I know that she gets heated and defends me fiercely when my ex-husband's parents speak badly of me.
I guess I've never explored the options; Asperger's seemed like a good bet. She DEFINITELY has some behaviors since infancy that point 100% to the spectrum.
However, there could be a combination present, I suppose. Her father, my ex-husband lied to me horribly before and during marriage, he cheated and stole from every employer he had and lied about it; he changed his name and was in general a very sick man. His father, my daughter's grandfather is sneaky and creepy as well and for many reasons i have always been convinced of his antisocial tendencies. It breaks my heart, that this could be a genetic thing? Our household is one of very strong faith and family, my younger son is a very happy and healthy kid.
Hi, You have indicated you have given your daughter a strict upbringing
But then you let her do this?
I don't wish to be a rude but you say your daughter is 16, how long has she been dating older men? are you aware you are allowing your daughter to associate with men who are probably paedophiles. Sorry all the warning bells went of in my head. I have a daughter and If I found out she was dating "older men" when she is 16 I would get the police involved.
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