What is the most common type of autism?

Page 1 of 5 [ 66 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next

AlexWelshman
Deinonychus
Deinonychus

User avatar

Joined: 15 Jun 2011
Age: 31
Gender: Male
Posts: 357
Location: UK

10 Aug 2011, 3:10 pm

You know; like their's many different types of autism, such as aspergers, high functioning autism, Low functioning autism, Retts Syndrome, etc; what's the most common type that people have?



SammichEater
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 6 Mar 2011
Age: 31
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,903

10 Aug 2011, 3:18 pm

Don't quote me on this, as I could be wrong, but I think I remember reading that PPD-NOS is the most common form. However, I believe that the amount of undiagnosed "mild" aspies greatly outnumber the rest.


_________________
Remember, all atrocities begin in a sensible place.


AlexWelshman
Deinonychus
Deinonychus

User avatar

Joined: 15 Jun 2011
Age: 31
Gender: Male
Posts: 357
Location: UK

10 Aug 2011, 3:39 pm

SammichEater wrote:
Don't quote me on this, as I could be wrong, but I think I remember reading that PPD-NOS is the most common form. However, I believe that the amount of undiagnosed "mild" aspies greatly outnumber the rest.
I haven't met anybody that I know of who has PDD NOS.



Scandium
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 31 Jul 2011
Age: 30
Gender: Male
Posts: 784
Location: Orange County, CA, USA, Earth, Solar System, Orion Arm, Milky Way, Local Cluster

10 Aug 2011, 3:39 pm

According to Wikipedia, it's PDD-NOS.

Wikipedia wrote:
Most recent reviews tend to estimate a prevalence of 1–2 per 1,000 for autism and close to 6 per 1,000 for ASD;[11] because of inadequate data, these numbers may underestimate ASD's true prevalence.[1] PDD-NOS's prevalence has been estimated at 3.7 per 1,000, Asperger syndrome at roughly 0.6 per 1,000, and childhood disintegrative disorder at 0.02 per 1,000.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism#Epidemiology



chrissyrun
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 23 Oct 2010
Age: 32
Gender: Female
Posts: 13,788
Location: Hell :)

10 Aug 2011, 3:40 pm

There is a difference between high-functioning autism (HFA) and Aspergers (AS). From what I've seen, even just on this site....AS is more common.


_________________
Go die in a ditch if you're a b*tch, if you're a jerk, go to work, if you're just mean, flee the scene, and if you're rude, go ahead and intrude because you're probably just like me.


LostInSpace
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 16 Apr 2007
Age: 40
Gender: Female
Posts: 2,617
Location: Dixie

10 Aug 2011, 3:47 pm

PDD-NOS isn't really a "type", though, it just means "doesn't fit any of the other categories neatly enough." It's like the "ASD- other" category.


_________________
Not all those who wander are lost... but I generally am.


LornaDoone
Sea Gull
Sea Gull

User avatar

Joined: 23 Jul 2011
Age: 58
Gender: Female
Posts: 200
Location: Canada

10 Aug 2011, 4:12 pm

LostInSpace wrote:
PDD-NOS isn't really a "type", though, it just means "doesn't fit any of the other categories neatly enough." It's like the "ASD- other" category.


It most certainly is a type. As Aspergers is a type of a disorder on the spectrum, so is PDD-NOS, autism, Retts, tourettes. All are disorders on the spectrum.


_________________
6 year old boy with PDD-NOS
7year old girl with ADD, but has been very manageable
Me: Diagnosed bi-polar, medicated for 20 years now.


AlexWelshman
Deinonychus
Deinonychus

User avatar

Joined: 15 Jun 2011
Age: 31
Gender: Male
Posts: 357
Location: UK

10 Aug 2011, 4:47 pm

LornaDoone wrote:
LostInSpace wrote:
PDD-NOS isn't really a "type", though, it just means "doesn't fit any of the other categories neatly enough." It's like the "ASD- other" category.


It most certainly is a type. As Aspergers is a type of a disorder on the spectrum, so is PDD-NOS, autism, Retts, tourettes. All are disorders on the spectrum.
You're wrong about tourettes. That's not on the spectrum; that's a seperate condition altogether. It's true that many people with autism have it, but that doesn't mean it's part of the spectrum anymore that, truberous scroloses, ADHD, Learning Difficulties, OCD, epilepsy, etc are on the spectrum. Their just common Co-Morbids, but other than the bit tourrettes; I agreee :)



MudandStars
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 16 Oct 2009
Age: 37
Gender: Female
Posts: 608
Location: Australia

10 Aug 2011, 6:03 pm

To me it's logically makes sense, like a math lesson. If you consider ASD to be a deviation from "normal" brain development then it would make sense that there would theoretically be more PDD-NOS than Aspies and more Aspies than Auties.

To make it "simple", if we consider most people fall within one standard deviation of "normal", then those with PDD-NOS would be like people who fall between one and two standard deviations from the mean, those with Aspergers Syndrome would be between two and three standard deviations, and those with autism would be the people who are 3 or more standard deviations from the mean. The further away you are from the mean, the more pieces of the "ASD puzzle" you have.

The problem is that is is more difficult to diagnose people who don't fall as far away from the mean, like its more difficult to tell which kid is smarter out of a kid with IQ of 114 and one with 117 than it is one with 114 and one with 135. Or deciding whether one person is "short" and one "tall" according to population averages when you're looking at two people who are reasonably close in height.

So I guess I'm saying the distribution may well be a bit like a normal distribution (though I'm pretty sure the actually figures aren't, 68.27% NT, 31.73% some kind of ASD) but the closer you are to the mean the harder it is to diagnose which means quite a few with AS and a lot with PDD-NOS are likely to go undiagnosed.

Image


_________________
-M&S


?Two men looked through prison bars; one saw mud and the other stars.? Frederick Langbridge


Apple_in_my_Eye
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 7 May 2008
Gender: Male
Posts: 4,420
Location: in my brain

10 Aug 2011, 6:23 pm

"What PDD-NOS officially means (link)"

https://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/2 ... lly-means/

Quote:
Every time I see people making broad generalizations about what “PDD-NOS” means, I wonder if they know exactly how varied the people are that the word can be officially applied to. PDD-NOS doesn’t necessarily say anything about “severity” (as most people conceptualize severity). It doesn’t necessarily say anything about language development. It doesn’t necessarily say anything about anything, given the amount of combinations of things it can be used for, legitimately or otherwise, and it’s wrong to make generalizations about “the unique manner in which PDD-NOS kids socialize as opposed to other kids on the spectrum” or “the severity of PDD-NOS as compared to Asperger and autism” etc. Those are meaningless statements.


Quote:
I’m not generally into doing the nitty gritty details of medicalistic categories. But I’ve ended up having to write things like this out (mostly from memory) so many times lately, that I thought I’d write it down in one place and get it over with. Be aware that I do not agree with the official ways that autism is divided up. When I write this, I’m reporting how something is used, I’m not agreeing with the usage. When I talk about PDD-NOS (pervasive developmental disorder, not otherwise specified) being used “correctly” and “incorrectly” below, I mean “in accordance with official criteria” and “outside of accordance with official criteria”.

A lot of people online say things like:

“PDD-NOS entails a language delay.”

“PDD-NOS kids have a specific way of interacting socially that autism and Asperger kids don’t.”

“PDD-NOS is the intermediary between autism and Asperger’s.”

“PDD-NOS refers to mild autism.”

“PDD-NOS refers to high-functioning autism.”

“PDD-NOS refers to very low-functioning autism.”

“PDD-NOS is more severe than Asperger’s but less severe than autism.”

“Kanner’s Autism is the least varied in presentation, Asperger’s and high-functioning autism the most, and PDD-NOS somewhere in the middle.”

And so on and so forth.

As far as that autism spectrum severity wedge goes, with “Kanner’s” autism at one end, “Asperger’s” and “high functioning” autism at the other, and “PDD-NOS” in the middle, with “AS/HFA” being the “most varied presentation,” I beg to differ in a number of areas, and would direct people both to this post (which seems to show PDD-NOS is the most varied of any autism category, just by its nature) and to my old post on what does “Kanner” actually mean?, because, to quote Inigo Montoya, “You keep using that word. I do not think it means, what you think it means.” In several respects.

Even though the official categories of autism and Asperger’s can be indistinct, they are nowhere near so indistinct as the category of PDD-NOS. This is because PDD-NOS, far from being a distinct thing, is meant for anyone who doesn’t fit into a few narrower categories. It’s also frequently used outside of accordance with the actual criteria.

Here’s how it’s used in ways that the criteria don’t even cover:

A doctor sees an autistic person and says, “This person cannot be autistic, because he makes eye contact, or shows affection, or likes to socialize (even if in unusual ways), or seems aware people exist, or has a normal IQ.” In other words, the person does not fit the doctor’s stereotype of autism even though they might meet official criteria for autism or Asperger.

Roy Grinker describes his daughter’s diagnosis in the nineties:

[The psychiatrist] showed us the criteria for autism and related disorders, all classified under the heading of “PDD,” and then drew our attention to PDD-NOS, Isabel’s diagnosis. But it seemed to me that Isabel did meet the criteria for autism. She couldn’t make friends or communicate with words or gestures. She used repetitive speech and was preoccupied with lining things up in a row. So why didn’t he say she was autistic?

He explained that while it was true that Isabel had most of the features of autism, she had them to a lesser degree than many of the other children he had seen in his years of practice as a child psychiatrist, and she showed no evidence of being mentally ret*d (though the absence of mental retardation never rules out an autism diagnosis). In retrospect, I think he may have been afraid to give us a devastating diagnosis like autism when Isabel was so young and in some ways functioning at a higher level than the children he had seen. As a child psychiatrist from Fairfield County, Connecticut, told me recently: “Things are different now. Even in the mid-90s, autism used to be like the ‘c’ word [cancer], and I didn’t use it if I didn’t have to. So it was only the severe cases that got an autism diagnosis from me. The others got ‘PDD-NOS’.”

In fact, I remember that, despite knowing little about autism, I felt happy that Isabel had PDD-NOS instead of autism. I didn’t realize then that, over time, PDD-NOS would prove to be an ambiguous and cumbersome diagnosis, that it would morph into “autism” or “autism spectrum disorder,” and that I’d rarely use the term PDD again. Today, Isabel is simply a child with “autism”.

(from Unstrange Minds: Remapping the World of Autism by Roy Grinker.)
A doctor sees an autistic person and says, “This person meets the criteria for autism, but autism means hopeless, and I don’t want to label this person hopeless,” or “This person meets the criteria for autism or Asperger’s, but will get better services under PDD-NOS.” This was part of the rationale for diagnosing me on paper as PDD-NOS in the nineties, while telling my parents orally that I was autistic.
A doctor meets an autistic teenager or adult with an ambiguous early history, and proceeds to diagnose PDD-NOS as a way of saying “I don’t have all the data.” (For instance, I was never told until I was practically an adult that I lost some speech early on, and I have no idea if my doctors had been told that either. A middle-aged friend of mine has a PDD-NOS diagnosis because they don’t know her early history despite the fact that she seems to fit the autism criteria.)
A doctor has an aversion to “labeling” people and only gives them -NOS diagnoses because they “seem less like a label” somehow. (I had a psychologist like this.)
A doctor sees that a person has another diagnosis and doesn’t want to tease out what’s autistic and what’s from this other diagnosis. (I’ve met clearly-autistic people with cerebral palsy who got diagnosed as PDD-NOS because of this, even though they met criteria for autism or Asperger’s. This can also happen to people with Down’s syndrome.)

Okay, so that’s just the number of ways that are not exactly in keeping with the real criteria. Some of them used to be used more frequently than they are now, but many are still used this way today. Those are not actually in accordance with the criteria, they’re in accordance with the doctors’ wishes or prejudices for various reasons.

Even what meets the official criteria, though, is still pretty varied. Here’s the official criteria. I’m going to include both DSM-IV and DSM-IV-TR criteria since that changeover is fairly recent (2000) and there are still kids diagnosed prior to then who have this diagnosis, and also ICD-10:

DSM-IV criteria for PDD-NOS:

This category should be used when there is a severe and pervasive impairment in the development of reciprocal social interaction or verbal and nonverbal communication skills, or when stereotyped behavior, interests, and activities are present, but the criteria are not met for a specific Pervasive Developmental Disorder, Schizophrenia, Schizotypical Personality Disorder, or Avoidant Personality Disorder. For example, this category includes “atypical autism”– presentations that do not meet the criteria for Autistic Disorder because of late age of onset, atypical symptomatology, or sub threshold symptomatology, or all of these.

DSM-IV-TR criteria for PDD-NOS:

This category should be used when there is a severe and pervasive impairment in the development of reciprocal social interaction associated with impairment in either verbal and nonverbal communication skills, or with the presence of stereotyped behavior, interests, and activities, but the criteria are not met for a specific Pervasive Developmental Disorder, Schizophrenia, Schizotypal Personality Disorder, or Avoidant Personality Disorder.

ICD-10 criteria for atypical autism:

A pervasive developmental disorder that differs from autism in terms either of age of onset or of failure to fulfil all three sets of diagnostic criteria. Thus, abnormal and/or impaired development becomes manifest for the first time only after age 3 years; and/or there are insufficient demonstrable abnormalities in one or two of the three areas of psychopathology required for the diagnosis of autism (namely, reciprocal social interactions, communication, and restrictive, stereotyped, repetitive behaviour) in spite of characteristic abnormalities in the other area(s). Atypical autism arises most often in profoundly ret*d individuals whose very low level of functioning provides little scope for exhibition of the specific deviant behaviours required for the diagnosis of autism; it also occurs in individuals with a severe specific developmental disorder of receptive language. Atypical autism thus constitutes a meaningfully separate condition from autism.

Includes:

atypical childhood psychosis
mental retardation with autistic features

Some examples of how a person could actually meet these criteria:

Fitting the criteria for Asperger’s, and not the criteria for autism, with the exception that the person had delayed language early in life.

Fitting the criteria for Asperger’s, and not the criteria for autism, with the exception that the person has a lower IQ than the cutoff for Asperger’s.

Fitting the criteria for Asperger’s, and not the criteria for autism, with the exception that the person had a delay in self-help skills early in life.

(For the DSM-IV, but not the DSM-IV-TR.) Meeting the social criteria of autism alone, without the other criteria.

(For the DSM-IV, but not the DSM-IV-TR.) Meeting the language criteria of autism alone, without the other criteria.

(For the DSM-IV, but not the DSM-IV-TR.) Meeting the repetitive behavior criteria of autism alone, without the other criteria.

Meeting the social and language criteria for autism, but not meeting the repetitive behavior criteria. (Meeting social and repetitive behavior without language is mostly covered by Asperger’s.)

Having “a few autistic traits”.

Seeming autistic, but having another condition going on (such as cerebral palsy or intellectual disability) that makes it hard for a person to do enough things to fulfill the autism criteria.

Meeting the criteria for some other kind of autism, but not quite enough (in number) of the criteria.

Meeting the criteria solidly in one category, but ambiguously in one or more of the other categories.

Meeting the criteria, but ambiguously in all categories.

Meeting the criteria, but meeting them (or some of them) later than the cutoffs for other things.

Every time I see people making broad generalizations about what “PDD-NOS” means, I wonder if they know exactly how varied the people are that the word can be officially applied to. PDD-NOS doesn’t necessarily say anything about “severity” (as most people conceptualize severity). It doesn’t necessarily say anything about language development. It doesn’t necessarily say anything about anything, given the amount of combinations of things it can be used for, legitimately or otherwise, and it’s wrong to make generalizations about “the unique manner in which PDD-NOS kids socialize as opposed to other kids on the spectrum” or “the severity of PDD-NOS as compared to Asperger and autism” etc. Those are meaningless statements.



Ai_Ling
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 15 Nov 2010
Age: 36
Gender: Female
Posts: 1,891

10 Aug 2011, 6:40 pm

In most generally speaking, PDD-NOS is a catch all term for someone who cant be easily put in a catagory yet still on the spectrum. From the article that was posted above, it seem PDD-NOS can be between aspergers and autism. But I also heard that PDD-NOS is known for those who are also borderline spectrum. Not quite aspie but still belong on the spectrum. There was a disability specialist who I talked to once but was not evaluated by who thought I might be PDD-NOS, or mild aspergers.



SuperTrouper
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 1 Jun 2009
Gender: Female
Posts: 1,117

10 Aug 2011, 6:43 pm

Correct me if I'm wrong, AlexWelshman, but did I not in another thread just yesterday or so ago explain to you that high functioning and low functioning are not professional, diagnostic terms and cannot be quantified as such? Why do you ask questions if you're going to ignore the answers? It doesn't make me want to answer more of your questions, that's for sure.



kittie
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 10 May 2011
Age: 29
Gender: Female
Posts: 683
Location: Yorkshire, UK.

10 Aug 2011, 6:48 pm

Well, wow. I would've guessed at AS, not PDD-NOS.



Subotai
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 24 Sep 2010
Age: 38
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,036
Location: 日本

10 Aug 2011, 6:52 pm

SammichEater wrote:
Don't quote me on this, as I could be wrong, but I think I remember reading that PPD-NOS is the most common form. However, I believe that the amount of undiagnosed "mild" aspies greatly outnumber the rest.


That is most likely



Ettina
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 13 Jan 2011
Age: 36
Gender: Female
Posts: 3,971

10 Aug 2011, 7:10 pm

Quote:
But I also heard that PDD-NOS is known for those who are also borderline spectrum. Not quite aspie but still belong on the spectrum.


That's the kind of PDD NOS I am.



Callista
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 3 Feb 2006
Age: 42
Gender: Female
Posts: 10,775
Location: Ohio, USA

10 Aug 2011, 10:01 pm

kittie wrote:
Well, wow. I would've guessed at AS, not PDD-NOS.
That's what I thought at first; but actually, both PDD-NOS and regular autism are more common than AS.

PDD-NOS, "atypical autism", is the "miscellaneous" category. It's what your doctor will say if you don't fit another category or it can't be determined whether you do, or you're too young or your childhood history isn't available, or... etc., etc.

PDD-NOS makes up about two out of three cases of autism. That means that two out of three cases of autism cannot be specifically categorized. Most people diagnosed with PDD-NOS will simply be called "autistic" by professionals, and call themselves "autistic".

Classic autism is the second-largest category, with about one-fourth of the total spectrum.

Asperger's makes up about one in ten cases.

The least common diagnoses, considered extremely rare, are Rett syndrome and childhood disintegrative disorder (Heller syndrome). They are less than one percent.

So what we're seeing here is just that autism is far more likely to be uncategorizable than not. The diagnostic labels don't even have a really strong correlation with severity... only Asperger's really gets associated with less-severe cases, and that's probably primarily because easily-observable intelligence is part of the Asperger's stereotype.


_________________
Reports from a Resident Alien:
http://chaoticidealism.livejournal.com

Autism Memorial:
http://autism-memorial.livejournal.com