It's not creativity, it's just pure wrongness.

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19 Sep 2011, 12:12 pm

That's the impression that I'm beginning to get as I look back on the all the times in my life that I've produced things stemming from my aberrated sense of creativity.
Whenever I was told something that I didn't quite understand, all of my guesses were incorrect. My art was adored, but to try to use it practically was met with confusion as to why I was doing it that way. Then I looked around at everyone else's work and saw how perfect and beautiful they were doing.
That's why I was always the worst student in my college graphic design classes. I saw nothing wrong with how I was doing things-- okay, in truth, I couldn't have replicated everyone else's style if my very life depended on it. I tried. I really did! But the teacher, he had his own idea of what was acceptable in classwork, and I was just too... different, I suppose. For example, I love simplicity, but evidently simplicity is a bad thing in graphic design.
I'm beginning to think that general perception is natural law, and all deviations will just be dissipated by that law over time. How much I'd give in order to be like everyone else right about now. At least then I wouldn't feel like I was being left behind all the time, like a runner who can't keep up!



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19 Sep 2011, 1:02 pm

That's one of the reasons I dropped out of Graphic Design and ultimately college entirely. There's seems to be some specific zeitgeist for every generation, that makes a certain sort of style definitive for that period and fitting in to what the NT world finds fashionable is never an Aspergian forte. In the long run, though, its always the real esoteric innovators who end up being recognized as the truly outstanding talents. Salvador Dali wouldn't have lasted a week doing ad campaigns for Chevrolet. :wink:

You just need to find your own venue. I never found the path in Commercial Design that I'd always hoped for - then years later discovered tattooing and fell in love with the medium. I had never in all my life even considered such a thing. Funny how things come at you from out of the blue sometimes.



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19 Sep 2011, 1:06 pm

To a point, however, there's the one in one hundred chance what you do will get liked by someone else, and eventually will become part of the norm of sorts. However, you may not get credit for it. It's like that for a lot of things with me, things I got ridiculed for at first ended up becoming popular later usually after I stopped caring about them.

Or you need more practice or skill, that possibility does exist, too. Some "arts" are rigid, some arts are not. Like with cooking, you can usually figure out different ways to do things that still "work" or even work out better, but with one other thing I know, figure skating, there really are only limited ways to make it "work" and it's judged if your techniques flow well and are correct, and are creative at the same time. I like it, but it's tough, but to me it comes easier than like, drawing. Drawing obviously allows for a lot more creative room, but I suck at it and don't like the act of doing it enough to care to work really hard at it.

There's a fine line between conformity, the extreme end of conformity is boringness, and the extreme end of individuality or creativeness is, well, crazy. Some people can convince people that their blob is a person and it has deep artistic merit, those people also seem to be full of s**t, and I'm assuming you don't want to be that way. At the same time, if you can, let's say, creatively draw people not quite like everyone else but set yourself apart, you can have a good career. CLAMP did this with manga, they drew a bit different and people liked it, CLAMP more or less actually changed the way anime was drawn. There's some people that "win" and others that lose. Chance and luck for the most part.

What I'd suggest is, if you want things to be easier on you, try an art form that allows for more creative room, I suck at baking, but am good at cooking otherwise for the most part. Baking everything has to be precisely measured, etc, and I'm terrible at that. But cooking, I can just play around and go add spices however I feel like. So with visual arts, it's likely the same way I think.

Hope everything works out for you.



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19 Sep 2011, 1:09 pm

maybe you need to take a different graphic design class :/

It's teachers like this that do not accept other students way to do stuff that might be better than his way that i hate :/

I never had one but i still really hate those kinds of teachers



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19 Sep 2011, 1:16 pm

Art is just knowing which mistakes to keep.


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19 Sep 2011, 1:29 pm

A really good artist told me this...make mistakes...make lots of them, that is how your art will grow and learn.
He was right.
As far as graphic art, it may not be your cup of tea, but you should try exploring your unconventional creativity where a high level of creativity is sought after.

Your problem is not that you are screwing up....it is that graphic design is not creative enough for you.
I sugest going into sequental art, which is what anime, cartoons, comic books fall under.

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19 Sep 2011, 1:53 pm

Artists do not like to use erasers because of this ^^



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19 Sep 2011, 2:27 pm

I think you should use the term ''wrong doesn't exist".. art has no right way of doing things.. usually the ones who think outside the box become the best ones in their profession. just don't let anyone tell you wrong and get out of that class.


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19 Sep 2011, 3:16 pm

I just recently went through a few years of college online, and managed to do fairly well following a two step process in every class.

1) Determine what the instructor wants and clarify any details I was unsure of by speaking directly with the instructor.

2) Deliver what they wanted whether I agreed with it or not, or thought it was best suited to my abilities and talents or not.

I got lucky during my second two years because I transferred to a school where the most of the instructors I had actually valued my particular "style" of creativity.

In my own experience, my particular brand of creativity is rarely appreciated or valued. It's usually more about instructor's expectations and whether or not what I deliver is what they expect, and in their opinion deserving of a decent grade. Creativity of the sort I tended to display, according to most teachers I've had, is reserved for later, after I've earned my grade and education, only allowed by proven professionals.

"Never end a sentence with a preposition, and never begin a sentence with 'and' or 'but.'"

"But I see it done all the time in almost every book I've read!"

"Yes you do. By established, PUBLISHED writers with a proven track record. When your name is Arthur C. Clarke, or Isaac Asimov, you can get away with it. Until then, you can't."

What a load of crap. It's not true. It's flat out not true. Not in the real world of writing, but during your schooling, it is true because as we all know, 'Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach.'" An overly large percentage of teachers have some sort of control issues. A great many aren't really in the business of teaching out of love for teaching, but because they know just enough to teach, but need the teaching job to make ends meet because they can't make it as professionals full time.

A lot of their downplaying the importance and value of their student's creativity is nothing more than compensating for their own inadequacies. It's the same as people who down talk others only because it's the only way they can manage to feel superior.

Why the hell does anyone need to feel superior? I don't get it.

I say figure out what they want and give it to them for purposes of the class. Get your good grade, then go out and do what you do best. Once you've got your grades and your degree, your teachers have no say anymore.


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