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01 Dec 2011, 1:54 pm

I've been working on cognitive issues, especially relating to focusing attention on conversations at work while minimizing my propensity for mental digressions. For example, not letting my my wander during meetings even when it's boring.

What I'm finding is that the more I focus on the cognitive, the less control I seem to have on overt stimming. I rock and twitch and hand wring much more visibly. It seems that the more present I am, the more intently engaged in the conversation, the more I lose awareness of my body.

I suspect others may have gone through this and I'm wondering if at some point the focusing become automatic enough to allow me some control over the stims or if I'm doomed to either clearer cognition or less visible stims.

This is an issue because the cognitive aspects are critical to my job. I've always had trouble with this and now that I'm trying, and even somewhat succeeding, to solve this the cognitive challenges, the stimming seems to be more obvious.


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01 Dec 2011, 6:24 pm

This same thing happens to me, and I haven't found a way to control the stimming. I did try, and I found that pushing it is stressful and physically uncomfortable, and I can't maintain the control long enough to really make a difference.

This is what I do instead: I've found that if I have something I can stim on, like a toy or a brush or something small that has a lot of texture and/or moving parts, I'll focus my stimming on that rather than on rocking, flapping, flicking, etc.



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01 Dec 2011, 6:36 pm

For me, stimming is the stargate to cognitive functioning, so I always stim and never try to not stim. I stim, therefore I think.

Why are you trying to not stim? Is it because you don't want to look weird at work? Perhaps you could try turning a more weird stim into a less weird stim for those times when you need to stim at work, e.g. rocking in your chair into bouncing your leg under the table.



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01 Dec 2011, 6:38 pm

Stimming is the sensory experience.



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01 Dec 2011, 7:45 pm

I'm not exactly trying not to stim. I just noticed recently that I the more successful I am at staying engaged in the conversation, the more obvious things like hand wringing becomes. Part of me thinks to hell with people. Just deal with it folks. But in a professional environment, it can have a negative effect. People can be real jerks, in case you haven't noticed.


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01 Dec 2011, 7:58 pm

The same thing happens to me. Luckily for me, I don't have any really obvious stims.


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01 Dec 2011, 8:03 pm

Google "fidget to focus". Many people need to fidget with something to focus. It's so well known that in many classrooms kids are allowed fidgets. My daughter has floam to squish around. Heck, I've seen executive fidgets. Just make it a fidget that's not too annoying to others and have at it. Some eccentricity is acceptable.

I rub my fingers together a lot. It doesn't bounce tables like bouncing a leg. Finger tapping or pencil tapping is annoying. Squishy balls. Doodling. Stuff like that isn't usually a problem unless somebody is a real...um....don't know if I can say it here.


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01 Dec 2011, 8:08 pm

SylviaLynn wrote:
Google "fidget to focus". Many people need to fidget with something to focus. It's so well known that in many classrooms kids are allowed fidgets. My daughter has floam to squish around. Heck, I've seen executive fidgets. Just make it a fidget that's not too annoying to others and have at it. Some eccentricity is acceptable.

I rub my fingers together a lot. It doesn't bounce tables like bouncing a leg. Finger tapping or pencil tapping is annoying. Squishy balls. Doodling. Stuff like that isn't usually a problem unless somebody is a real...um....don't know if I can say it here.


This is a bit more than just fidgeting. My eye contact gets worse and my hands don't exactly flap but start doing their own thing. Probably looks a little spastic. I hate that word, but it's very descriptive.


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01 Dec 2011, 8:41 pm

Maybe you are becoming hyperfocused on your conversation or your work and losing awareness of sensations and movements due to the hyperfocus?



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01 Dec 2011, 8:44 pm

btbnnyr wrote:
For me, stimming is the stargate to cognitive functioning, so I always stim and never try to not stim. I stim, therefore I think.

Why are you trying to not stim? Is it because you don't want to look weird at work? Perhaps you could try turning a more weird stim into a less weird stim for those times when you need to stim at work, e.g. rocking in your chair into bouncing your leg under the table.

This.
Plus you said stargate.


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01 Dec 2011, 10:36 pm

btbnnyr wrote:
Maybe you are becoming hyperfocused on your conversation or your work and losing awareness of sensations and movements due to the hyperfocus?


Yeah. Maybe this.


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02 Dec 2011, 3:06 am

I stim like mad all the time and ESP when I am working my brain really hard or pushing myself. Sounds like you got a little bit of this going on in your life. :)



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02 Dec 2011, 11:28 am

wavefreak58 wrote:
I've been working on cognitive issues, especially relating to focusing attention on conversations at work while minimizing my propensity for mental digressions. For example, not letting my my wander during meetings even when it's boring.

What I'm finding is that the more I focus on the cognitive, the less control I seem to have on overt stimming. I rock and twitch and hand wring much more visibly. It seems that the more present I am, the more intently engaged in the conversation, the more I lose awareness of my body.

I suspect others may have gone through this and I'm wondering if at some point the focusing become automatic enough to allow me some control over the stims or if I'm doomed to either clearer cognition or less visible stims.

This is an issue because the cognitive aspects are critical to my job. I've always had trouble with this and now that I'm trying, and even somewhat succeeding, to solve this the cognitive challenges, the stimming seems to be more obvious.


Yeah I can relate to that......as for the not letting my mind wander if I am in a boring class, or meeting, or conversation I cant really prevent it but if I'm talking to someone and bored of the conversation I can sometimes respond without actually thinking about it so they think I'm listening and paying attention but I am not.

If I were to try to stay focused chances are I would stim more by moving my hands a lot maybe touching my face and stuff like that, it also increases if I am anxious. If I were in a classroom or meeting I tend to fidget with stuff when paying attention, and sometimes if it gets boring I get distracted by my own thoughts or distracted by whatever I'm fidgeting with.

I guess the responding without being focused is kind of a stim I taught myself because it tends to be more acceptable than the others.


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02 Dec 2011, 6:02 pm

I find myself having to sit with my left hand under my left thigh to prop myself up when I'm thinking hard. I don't care if it looks weird because I get horribly uncomfortable if I can't do it. I also can't sit for long with my feet planted flat on the ground. I'm always either crossing and uncrossing my legs or bending my knees back and curling my feet underneath my chair.

I used to bite my nails, pull on my hair, and pick at my face all the time when I was little. Luckily I don't do that so much anymore. I still like running my fingers along things when I walk though, like the mortar cracks on concrete block walls. Or pulling the leaves off the hedges or plants as I walk past. I remember getting crap for doing that when I was little but I still do it sometimes.

Also, when I've had an office job I have to get up from my desk and walk around every 20 minutes or so. I just can't sit in a freaking chair for hours on end like some people can. I get all uncomfortable and claustrophobic feeling and my back starts to hurt. If I really need to think hard I need to find someplace where I can pace without being noticed.

Maybe these are ADHD traits as well as people with that seem to do the same stuff. I know it has something to do with focus because there more I'm deep in thought the more I need to move around or do things with my hands.