Asperggers: The next step in evolution:

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This will be a kind of long post, and the link that I provide that I wrote is even longer, 15000 words. But since I will tell you why we are the new and next and superior form of humans, well, that should be a good reason to indulge me.

I read widely, almost all (99+%) non fiction, and almost all science or politics, mostly science. Remember the writers strike when networks had to fill in? Well then ran the show Dexter, about a serial killer who kills only bad guys. My son and I are watching it, and getting off on the fact that we really connect with him. Not with the serial killer part, but the "Why do people emote so much part" Also the why are they illogical, and why do they watch sports, and so on and so forth.

As I acquire knowledge of psychopaths and HFA and AS I wonder what is the difference? And I read and I think and I read and I think. I am always looking for the real reason that things are the way that they are.

Finally, a few months ago I decided to write about all this stuff. A key part of my article http://xfoolnature.org/id5.html is that human mental activity can be divided into, among other things, thinking about the physical world, things that are sensible if you will, and the non sensible world, emotions, values, opinions and all the other things that people think about that can not be measured, and in fact have no metric.

Now if you do not connect to humans much, you are going to be less susceptible to all the BS that is associated with values, opinions, pleasing others (which we see to have a hard time doing), fitting in (which we seem to have a hard time doing) etc. The benefit of that is that our success, to the degree that we have it, is based on the fact that AS and HFA almost NEVER get where they are because of their ability to please their superiors with the normal methods of ingratiation, ass licking, schmoozing etc. They get where they are because they solve real problems in the physical world.

I suspect this also makes us more honest. and gives us better BS detectors. It probably means that there are few if any AS politicians.

As I demonstrate in my article, at one time learning from ones superiors and being authoritarian had a distinct survival advantage for the tribe. As did being religious, after all what greater authority is there than god? This is no longer the case. In the complex and interconnected world in which we live, deferring to authority results in such fun things as the shuttle and bank and other failures. The more people defer to authority (NT behavior) the greater the danger to everyone on the planet.

So, please go to my article, read it, convince yourselves that you are "the new humans", and offer up constructive criticisms. b] http://xfoolnature.org/id5.html[/b]

Anyone for starting a political party? By the way, here is another observation. As far as I can tell, almost all politics and political parties, economics, most psychology, and professional sports are really just different religions. At least I can see no substantive difference in how NT people behave with regard to say, Kensyans, republicans, the Red Sox, and baptists. But I may just be insensitive

The terms "BS-Free" and "Political Party" do not belong together.

First, no of course not - because autistics A B and C are a liberal, a communist and a right wing libertarian respectively.

I don't want to be part of a party like the one you have in mind anyway, horrible lifeless crypto fascism.

now heres some lessons:

* Not every autistic desires to be a lifeless chunk of logic

* Some autistics are very emotional

* physchopathy/sociopathy are not defined by logical behavior, they are defined as a striking lack of remorse. They don't have real emotions are they - despite this - act very illogically outside of fiction.

* autistics can have their share of BS, there is heaps of BS in this forum and there is heaps of BS in your post.



You know, everyday I visit this forum and everyday I get to read this crap, I'm seriously considering phoning it in.

I'd just like to state that Autism and Pyschopathy actually have almost nothing in common.

People say they want the truth, so let's give them the damn truth.

Emotions are a vital survival tool. If you had no emotions at all you could never decide anything because something as simple as "which one do I like or want more?" is impossible to answer, and logic won't bring you to a conclusion. Emotion is, at its most basic, motivation.

Also, the concept of a "next step in evolution," while emotionally engaging, is logically incoherent. Evolution has no telos, there is no goal to it, no intention. It has no explicit purpose. It happens because environmental pressures, pressures from other living things, etc. impact who gets to breed and whose DNA gets passed on to the next generation, and the next, and the next. While punctuated equilibrium has a lot going for it, the idea that evolution also operates in discrete steps is not necessarily all that coherent an idea. It is more likely that evolution is both a matter of phyletic gradulism in combination with punctuated equilibrium, and that both are the consequence of pressures that favor some traits over others in terms of survival.

Autism, where it is genetic, is most likely not a result of positive selection, but rather the lack of negative selection. That is, the traits that lead to autism are unlikely to be bred out of humanity ever, because a lot of people who are not autistic, and who pass on their DNA, carry the genes, and eventually they combine and you get autism again. That's all. A normal part of human diversity.

If one believes one's self to be a next step in evolution, it's probably not the best idea to go around waving that flag.
That's something somebody should just keep to them self. It only will be interpreted as telling people that you are better than them, not something people want to hear.

lol i found that out the hard way myself.

In general, this is a very rapid response. I think that I can safely conclude that none of you who have so far posted have bothered to read my article since only the late Kim Peek could have read it that quickly. But let us ignore all the conclusion jumping so far:

I'd just like to state that Autism and Pyschopathy actually have almost nothing in common.
Do you have evidence to support this? I saw a comonality in the inability to genuinely relate to most of the emotional states that regular NT people have.


First, no of course not - because autistics A B and C are a liberal, a communist and a right wing libertarian respectively.
I have no idea what this means.
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thinking about the physical world, things that are sensible if you will, and the non sensible world, emotions, values, opinions and all the other things that people think about that can not be measured, and in fact have no metric.

I don't want to be part of a party like the one you have in mind anyway, horrible lifeless crypto fascism.

now heres some lessons: * Not every autistic desires to be a lifeless chunk of logic
You get first place in Olympic conclusion jumping. I have been with the same woman for 25 years and we have a relatively sane 20 year old son. Not exactly evidence of a lifeless chunck of logic, whatever that is.

* Some autistics are very emotional Yes, I would say that you are evidence of that.

* physchopathy/sociopathy are not defined by logical behavior, they are defined as a striking lack of remorse. They don't have real emotions are they - despite this - act very illogically outside of fiction.
I have no idea what this paragraph means. I can not make sense of the last sentence. The last phrase is completely wrong. It does demonstrate that you have no working knowledge of psychopathy, I would suggest that You read the writings of Bob Hare, and THE PSYCHOPATH TEST by Jon Ronson Author before you venture further comments.
* autistics can have their share of BS, there is heaps of BS in this forum and there is heaps of BS in your post.

Ahhh... name calling. The rhetorical technique of those who have neither facts nor logic to support their position.
The terms "BS-Free" and "Political Party" do not belong together.

I have first hand knowledge of that. Want to change it?

Autism is a neurological disorder. If the next set of evolution was coming soon, it would probably include enhanced social skills, not un-enhanced social skills.

lol at any rate mr. evolution can't spell aspergers right.

You are correct, and I confess to not being rigorously logical. It is not that psychopaths have no emotion, but that they are emotionally deficient. And I am aware that evolution, like nature, has no purpose. If you had taken the time to read my article, you would have seen this mentioned. I am not sure what logically rigorous phrase or concept that I could have used to convey what I am trying to convey, which is, among other things, that members at WP should in no way consider think of themselves as lesser than NT. Different yes, and possibly better, as what our planet now needs is more people better able to learn from direct experience, and less inclined to be obedient to authority. GO AND READ MY ARTICLE. Please ?!

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I actually have been reading your article, but I'm not sure I have all day to explain why that article is problematic. My response was restricted to what you posted here.

I have trouble with your paper. For example:

You state that only men have won Nobel prizes to demonstrate your theory about what males are in terms of evolution and biology. But you don't mention the historical bias against women participating in these sciences. You don't mention the anything about Watson and Crick winning a prize with research they apparently appropriated from Rosalind Franklin and who was not credited in their research (who died before the prize was awarded, so she would not have been awarded one in any event).

You also seem to not actually know that Marie Curie won the Nobel prize twice: The Nobel prize for physics in 1903 and the Nobel prize for chemistry in 1911. For that matter, you seem to be similarly unaware that 42 other women have been awarded Nobel prizes between 1901 and 2011. Perhaps you do know, which is why you made your statement "almost without exception." But it is impossible to make a factual statement about how women supposedly can or cannot contribute to scientific knowledge without also addressing the fact that there has been a social bias against women contributing to scientific knowledge for a very long time. It's impossible to claim any data in such an environment as supporting your theory, because your theory itself does not critique or examine the many ways in which women and women's contributions have been routinely devalued.

I am not trying to cherry pick your work. This is one of many issues I have with your paper.

Also, you make the statement that we are all faith driven and link to an article to support this. I am somewhat surprised that you appear to be unaware of this research on teleology and people with AS.
You should familiarize yourself with existing research on the subject of emotions.

I don't disagree with every statement you make in your paper, but I am a bit put off by both the lack of particular bits of information that do not support your theories, and a tendency to assert your theories as fact, even while saying that asserting some things as fact is a bad thing and people shouldn't do it ("deity mode"). I don't say you deliberately skipped that information, but it should really be addressed.

I am not trying to be mean, so I apologize if I come across that way.

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I have been, there's a minor response above to explain my difficulties with it.

For what it's worth I do not think it is totally wrong, but there seem to be several factual gaps in it. Like I tried to say above, I'm not trying to say you're deliberately ignoring information, but there's a lot of information that doesn't support what you are saying.

And my comment was a response to the phrase "the next step of evolution."

I absolutely agree that we're not lesser than NTs.

Or you have exhibit D, the oddball out who doent fit onto any real political position. (I do have definite Anarchist leanings but have drawn a line against it. I don't trust people enough to govern themselves, yet I don't trust the government either, so thus you do need to find a balance in-between.)