Am I smart, or am I dumb?
I believe I am intelligent, but only in the field of my special interests, such as crafting, or science. But the way I am described, or the way people talk about me, is really harsh sometimes. Anywhere from:
"when you hit your head as a child"
to them laughing every time I try to mention that I am smart.
The way I am treated by people makes me feel like I am a complete idiot. I am also told by a lot of people that I am highly intelligent. All my teachers say I am a very intelligent student, but I do not try hard enough. My dad thinks I should be getting straight A's, but I am just too lazy.
Granted I probably would if ADHD did not get in the way of everything. You would believe by my report card that I wanted to be a history and English major, claiming that's where I got most of my A's and B's, and my scores for math and science were pretty low... at Cs and Ds. But of course, my grades were mostly decided by the teacher and how nice they were.
I don't want to say I am smart if I am not, but I also don't want to say I am dumb... But I really do not know if I am smart, or if I am just dumb and misunderstood...
How do I find out if I am smart or dumb?
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But seriously, this has been brought up in countless topics on these forums. NTs have a way of commenting on how smart we are while simultaneously treating us like we're morons. It's not surprising, since people with AS typically have average or better intelligence while the AS can make what NTs consider simple tasks very difficult, but understanding it doesn't make it any less infuriating.
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It doesn't pay to talk to other people about your smartness or dumbness. There are at least six kinds of smartness. What you and I both lack is what is called Social IQ, or social smarts. I was once really good at taking IQ tests, but what the traditional tests can't test are body smarts, social smarts, music smarts, art smarts etc. They can't test drive and determination and persistence and wisdom and kindness.
Don't worry about whether or not you are smart. If you have ADHD, you need to find coping mechanisms that will let you succeed in your goals.
There were countless occasion when others thought I was dumb...only because I lacked social skills or didn't understand their ways of interpretation.
But smartness and dumbness are relative terms; so the best thing to do is, I think, to stop comparing with others and try to do best with what genes/parents/mother nature/God gave us...
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I agree with others around here that it's best not to discuss your intelligence level with others. There are many pitfalls to it. My girlfriend is in Mensa, but she's learned not to tell employers and many other people about it, because it makes them feel threatened.
As for others already seeing you as smart, when I was in school, my teachers said they knew I was smart and that they couldn't understand why I wasn't a better student. Also, I recently got my IQ tested, and the psychologist said my IQ was above average, but then he said I was an underachiever for no apparent reason. (This is the guy who didn't actually assess me for autism, even though that's what I went in for. Read my blog if you want details. I don't mean to harp about it in your thread. I'm just citing another example to try to help you.)
Not only do smarts come in different areas that are revealed by different tests, those tests are actually collections of tests (kind of like the Bible is actually many books). So, there are subcategories of smart, too. And test results also reflect a person's ability to take tests well, so a smart person might do poorly under poor conditions, if they're nervous, or if there's an issue that makes test taking generally challenging, such as dyslexia or sensory issues that are triggered in a busy classroom. All these can also affect other types of things, such as classroom performance, as well.
If your teachers recognize your intelligence, I'd say your trouble is likely from whatever issues you have cognitively besides IQ, not from some kind of general stupidity. It seems to me, though I don't know you and have only read your post, that you are trying to do well and are not lazy. I suspect genuinely lazy people aren't distressed by being accused of it; they try to justify it (as in, "What difference does it make if I get a good grade or not in a boring subject with a teacher I hate?" or, "Who cares if you like my grades or not? I don't care what grades I get!") You aren't trying to justify laziness; you're distressed that people think that about you and are trying to explain that you're having difficulties. You just haven't had your needs met yet in order to help you succeed. You're getting pressured by people who don't understand you. They can only work with what they know, so I can see why they (and the people who have given me a hard time in my life) do what they do. But that doesn't make them right. Hang in there, and keep trying to find ways to make yourself heard. It may take a while, but stick with it, and don't give up.
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IQ is another preposterous attempt to measure intelligence , just look at the past history of intelligence testing.
Binet had designed the Binet-Simon intelligence scale in order to identify students who needed special help in coping with the school curriculum. He argued that with proper remedial education programs, most students regardless of background could catch up and perform quite well in school. He did not believe that intelligence was a measurable fixed entity.
Binet cautioned:
Some recent thinkers seem to have given their moral support to these deplorable verdicts by affirming that an individual's intelligence is a fixed quantity, a quantity that cannot be increased. We must protest and react against this brutal pessimism; we must try to demonstrate that it is founded on nothing.[142]
By the way IQ is an arbitrary number derived from a set of useless exams created by evil little people whose sole purpose is to synonymously compare each other as if you were in a reproductive organ contest. Making you feel like a scum for not winning and having something you do not have.
Its questions almost always require a relatively broad knowledge about general topics, which in turn requires a general open-mindedness and receptivity to learning new things. Because of this, the IQ is almost always biased in favor of liberals (but not necessarily liberal politicians).
The APA journal that published the statement, American Psychologist, subsequently published eleven critical responses in January 1997, several of them arguing that the report failed to examine adequately the evidence for partly genetic explanations.
Why is it that when you look at historically significant figures like Feynmann's Low Childhood IQ or Poincare who flunked an IQ test , why is that when IQ wasnt mentioned - people decide to estimate their IQs on the basis of thier work , giving them astronomic ratios.
However, IQ tests may well be biased when used in other situations. A 2005 study stated that "differential validity in prediction suggests that the WAIS-R test may contain cultural influences that reduce the validity of the WAIS-R as a measure of cognitive ability for Mexican American students,"[96] indicating a weaker positive correlation relative to sampled white students. Other recent studies have questioned the culture-fairness of IQ tests when used in South Africa.[97][98] Standard intelligence tests, such as the Stanford-Binet, are often inappropriate for children with autism; the alternative of using developmental or adaptive skills measures are relatively poor measures of intelligence in autistic children, and may have resulted in incorrect claims that a majority of children with autism are mentally ret*d.[99]
Some scientists dispute IQ entirely. In The Mismeasure of Man (1996), paleontologist Stephen Jay Gould criticized IQ tests and argued that that they were used for scientific racism. He argued that g was a mathematical artifact and criticized:
...the abstraction of intelligence as a single entity, its location within the brain, its quantification as one number for each individual, and the use of these numbers to rank people in a single series of worthiness, invariably to find that oppressed and disadvantaged groups—races, classes, or sexes—are innately inferior and deserve their status.(pp. 24–25)
Psychologist Peter Schönemann was also a persistent critic of IQ, calling it "the IQ myth". He argued that g is a flawed theory and that the high heritability estimates of IQ are based on false assumptions.[93][94]
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to them laughing every time I try to mention that I am smart.
Well, I actually fell out of the pram and hit my head so badly once that my grandmother's conscience never stopped bothering her in her life that this was the cause why I was different, weird and soo naive...
Seriously, probably you are much smarter than you'd think, low self-esteem and the factors mentioned in the previous posts can make you think you might be dumb, which is a false perception of self.
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DuneyBlues makes some excellent points here. Just as a small example, I was asked who Cathrine the Great was. So, knowing a general overview of European history makes me smart. But I wasn't asked who Deganawida was, and it made no difference whether or not I knew. So, knowledge of American Indian history means nothing to my intelligence.
Well, there you go!
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Got the same problem. I am told by akmost everyone who knows me that I'm incredibly intelligent. But I cannot figure out what I do that makes them say that. Since I tend to screw up socially (even though I try my best to appear "normal"), much of the time I think that I am a dumb-ass failure of a person. Deep down inside, I manage to convince myself that I really am smart.
Everybody is a genius in his own mind. But you have to demonstrate that if you want people to believe you.
But anyway, geniuses are recognized after decades or centuries, and usually their life sucks (for normal people)
People recognize only what they have
It is good also when you can make the difference.
I think really smart people are usually loners. Therefore, nobody loves them.
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