The real causes of depression, anxiety and anger...

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From everything I've read about ASD's, in the books by Temple G. and on this website and other such places it seems to me that ASD is not the CAUSE of anxiety, depression or anger.

It seems to me that the causes of anxiety/depression/anger is that someone with an ASD lives in a world that is fundamentally alien and hostile towards them. If an NT lived in a world that was alien and hostile they would be sad and pissed off too.

That seem about right to everyone?

Generally, yes, I figure anyways. The more I do my own thing the more happy I am.

I always think that if it were more aspie'ish' in the world then we'd be happier (and things would be more efficient)

That about describes it for me most of the time...

Like speaking a foreign language no one understands.

Aye

the irony of it all, eh? The very people who sometimes claim to understand us are also the very people who sometimes cause our problems...

... it's a shame there's no solution out of that little "catch-22"ish situation.

yep.

Funny thing. I don't know if it was the rush of seratonin, etc.. or what, but when I started taking cymbalta(I was on it for about 2 weeks before I figured I would ABANDON it). Anyway, it reminded me that I USED to be happy. I was bullied, etc... but I had a kind of comfort, etc,... that was internal. They just couldn't touch THAT! I probably had that until like 8 or 9, and then I got DEPRESSED! Outside of a few pockets of feeling OK, it was solid depression until a couple months ago. Anyway, I probably acted more AS up until 8 ALSO, coincidently, although people still ask me HOW I know so much.

Steve

That explains everything.

I hate to be contrary...but what else is new.I agree that those emotions can be a reaction to misunderstanding and hostility from others and my own frustration with sensory issues.

I think the only argument I have with this,is that a lot of NT's are also miserable,agnry and empty.It is true that they are in the majority and maybe responsible for the structure of society but they have done a "piss poor job" of it,even for themselves.Look around at how society is structured.It seems based on a premise of creating internal void that must be filled by consumer items and the acceptance of others.No mater how much the person has...it never seems to fill the void.I'm not saying all NT feel this way or fall for this but it seems pretty much the majority of them,to me.In a way,I think we have the advantage(or many of us)in not buying into this.Many of us feel "full" when engaged in our special interessts.We would like to not be abused by others but we dont seem to have the same need to see ourselves or others for "what they own" but how they act.

Separate from how NT's treat me or each other(which I find equally depressing,inspite of lacking empathy,according to the experts)I believe I have a chemical imbalance in my genetics.My sibs,who were raised in different environment and dont appear AS(2 maybe)they are also depressed.Perhaps I am the exception here in my genetic depression but I just wanted to offer an alternative perspective.

I feel the world treats many NT's in the same way..

Anything different, the price of individuation, however once you start to connect and share with those of like-mind spiritually or mentally the rewards can be great.

I was depressed for the past year pretty much, because I was trying to constantly breach the gap between me and a certain NT girl.. Sure in the end she ended up with much more self-confidence and strength, but I also ended up snapping as a result and hurting both of us.

I realised it wasn't her fault, it was simply that though we could relate in certain drives and passions, we were fundamentally different, I live to think, and she lives to escape thinking. I'm not saying this is an NT trait, its a trait that applies to many, many people.

Anyway, if I work on what drives me, anger seems to actually come in positive ways. The depression is gone.. Anxiety still exists in almost every group situation, however through music and knowledge I'm finding more and more ways to eliminate it.

Yes many people are f****d, but I still love trying to work them out.

Its not an NT problem, its more a HUMAN problem.. Every person has a void to fill, a drive for "home" or a mountain with no summit. It just so happens that most people find that pushing others down is the only way for themselves to go higher.

I discovered since being alone, tha I actually care about strangers, I care about everyone on these forums, and I even care about those I don't understand (the hardest of all). For I realised through much thought that without them I would have nothing beautiful to fight for.

Sounds a bit ridiculously cyclical, but in my opinion such is the paradox of mankind.

Yes I'm generally misunderstood or not accepted, but I also tend to inspire every group of people I've ever come across, either in music or the search for truth.. I've inspired two girls to write books, another two to play guitar... To me this is a much more beautiful goal than making and keeping this silly notion we call friendship..

Because if I share information with someone once, they are my friend, just the same as the word "aquaintance" to most people.

I'm sure many with AS still like to put others down, as they haven't worked out that empathy can be logically deduced, its hard to care about the morons, but you have to understand that there are billions of possibilities of conciousness, of course some are going to be designed to think, to stand out and direct the progression of spirituality and knowledge.. Others are destined to simply follow blindly, trying to stop (and actually challenging and pushing further) the very people that inspire them.

Just some thoughts

I think a few people may have taken my first post wrong.

I wasn't trying to make some Grand Unified Theory of Depression/Anxiety/Anger. Nor do I see some Vast Capitalist Conspiracy. It just seems to me, and I think most readers got this, that these conditions associted with ASD's aren't really a function so much of the autism as it is a function of how the person with ASD is raised/treated in their life.

That is all. Carry on.

Oh, I thought it was the souls of dead aliens.

Yep... I got the point, just wanted to clarify that NTs aren't responsible for depression...

Many of them have it easier yes I bet, but many of them have it VERY hard.

Of course depression, anxiety and anger aren't results of the autism..

However they are treated differently or dealt with differently as a result..

My emotions are black and white in relation to other people, I spent years trying to change it because I thought I should, this made me depressed, angry, and anxious..

When I realised I could simply be myself and I could also survive generally alone, I became a lot happier, and anxiety and anger free..

So for me it wasn't the people around me, not their fault. It was miscommunication and misunderstanding that caused the problems, and my own fear, I was afraid of being myself.

yes makes alot of sence

I find that when I live my own life, the way that I want it to be, without petty rules thrust upon me, I'm a very happy camper. Moving out was the smartest thing that I've ever done, in my whole entire life. I get to live the life that I want. There are no strings to tie me down. I can buy as many little red Buses as I want, or else I can visit my local communes, expand my mind and become a Flower Child. There are lots of pastabilities.