Most NT's are not extroverted

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According to Bartol & Bartol (2008). "Criminal Behavior: A Psychosocial Approach" roughly 70% of the population is neither introverted nor extroverted, while roughly 15% of people are introverted and 15% are extroverted.

This means that the typical NT is not a booze hound sex maniac shallow superficial make-up wearing always fake thug.


Just so you know when you mention "typical NT's".

From what I have observed most people are really shallow.

You are right. What Phonic's stats show is that introvert and extroverts are at the extreme ends of the sociability range, with most people lying somewhere in the middle, which should hardly be surprising. It is a non sequitur to infer from this fact that normal people aren't shallow.

The reason is our postmodern culture. This means that people tend to identify largely by what they can afford to consume, and that appearance is everything to the point where any deeper meaning is totally irrelevant. It's the celebration of superficiality.

This is more the consequence of our media and educational system than biology or psychology though.

I completely agree with this. Just because a person is a NT doesn't automatically make them extroverted. Most people fall somewhere between extroverted and introverted. Aspies are almost always introverted which makes the majority of NTs seem extroverted to them. NTs are usually more extroverted then Aspies, although this does not make every NT an extrovert.

Thanks for that Phonic.

I work with a rather large amount of co-workers in the same location (@160) and live in a condo complex wherein I meet a significant a number of folks over time. I find that the vast majority of the folks with whom I am acquainted live modest quiet lives and are pleasant to be around. This roughly describes about 97%.

The 2-3% of folks I find obnoxious tend to be fairly easy to avoid most of the time. I feel absolutely no guilt avoiding them. They slide off me as if I'm Teflon, I don't allow them any traction with me.

I am mildly introverted and a tad reclusive (I live alone and am a homebody). I'm NT.

Joining this website has been the first time I'd seen the word NT, and found out what it meant. Most of my life, I at least assume I've generally been around more people who are not autistic. Personally I've adopted the philosophy that everybody is different, regardless of what arbitrary group they may belong to, and thus you can never judge someone or sum them up in just a few sentences. That is what is truly shallow. It's just as offensive to see others acting like those with autism are some kind of super race, even if I'm one of them.

everyone is shallow to a degree, there are no exceptions. Its just a fact of life.

I should also add that contrary to popular belief on the forums, doesn't matter if you are NT or not, wether you are on the spectrum or not. Plenty of posts in the L&D forums as well as other sections prove my point. Over the years ive seen more than a small handful of people on here saying they refuse to even attempt to be friends with NTs, spout spectrum-superiority nonsense, blame NTs for everything that is wrong in the world and so on and so forth. So yeah the shallowness exists on all sides, and don't act like it doesn't, for everyone has their own way of being "shallow". Oh and speaking of which, "Shallowness" really all just boils down to viewpoints, meaning there is NO objective measure for it whatsoever. It is all just subjective dribble induced by the human condition, the definition is forever changing, methods of measure forever changing, simply because EVERYONE views it differently.

f**k.... Im seriously starting to sound like chapters from a self-help booklet lately... I really need to stop giving a damn all together bout complete strangers that I can talk to over this development called the internet. Ive been giving way too much advice lately... I should definitely start charging... in cookies...

Last edited by DemonAbyss10 on 06 Jan 2012, 12:21 am, edited 1 time in total.

Yes.

The 15% extroverts and the 15% introverts get their information differently in their own unique way. One gets it (information) through social contact and is thus energized, and the other thinks it through alone objectively, thus solitary fueled.

Contrary to popular opinion, there are High IQ'd extroverts out there.

The "shallowness" or depth of an individual would ride on the knowledge and mores of any given culture.

So if the 15% of NTs are introverts and another 15% are extroverts, what are the rest?

mesoverts.

Edit: To be clear, I made that up, using the prefix meso- to mean intermediate, middle, etc.

According to analyses of the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator the majority of people are extraverts. People who are only inclined to be extraverts rather than introverts are still extraverts.

The way I see it, there is not just introverted NTs and extroverted NTs. Some can rank anywhere in between, a bit like a spectrum. Everybody's different. Some NTs can be really friendly and can chat away to anybody but then clam up when inside a busy, noisy social situation like a bar (I do know an NT like this). I know another NT who seems confident and extroverted but is not really when you actually get to know her. She's finding it hard to find work because she hasn't got much confidence of phoning up places and giving her details, or walking into a shop to hand in a CV - yet she can easily go to parties with all of her mates.

My family are introverted people, and one or two of my relatives are PDD-NOS, I'm sure. If not, one of them has Social Phobia, and is generally shy, and even avoids going to social events like Christmas meals with her work because she finds it very hard to endure a couple of hours socialising with her workfriends.

And I know some NTs who like to get home after work and not go out again or even talk to anyone, and just wanting to leisurely took dinner and settle down in front of the TV for the evening. It's quite normal.

But some NTs are strange - I know lots who go out at week-ends with their mates clubbing but lack confidence in doing other things like phoning people in authority up or even getting the bus and going shopping on their own.

But remember, being NT does not mean socialising 24/7. I think we should know that, unless you don't go out of your way to get to know any NTs. I'm surrounded by NTs; I've been raised by NTs, all of my family are NTs, I went to mainstream school and mixed with NTs, and all of my friends I have now (except for two) are NTs, so I generally know a thing or two about NTs. Anyway, I've been told many times before that as NTs get to middle-age, they don't socialise as much as they probably used to - there was actually an article about it in the paper. This isn't for every NT, but it's common.

I'm neurotypical but I wouldn't say I'm extroverted or introverted. Maybe I'm more on the introverted side, but I'm not too introverted.
Neurotypicals are not social robots, we all have some sort of unique persona in each of us too. I'm only social when I want to be. I don't spend every minute of my life socialising.

Generaly people might seem the same when you just make small talk with them out in the street, and they may have the same kind of knowledge of how to give off the right body language or how to look presentable how to go about not getting rejected or ridiculed, and may have a better understanding of why it works this way, but when you actually get to know a person, you will realise that they aren't all the same and they do have their own quirks, ideas, thoughts, emotions, habits, desires, anxieties, opinions, and way of living, even though from a far away distance they all seem the same, theyre not.

I agree with the psychologist Marti Olsen Laney (writer of the introvert advantage) and think that people are either introverted or extroverted. Now you can of course be a very social introvert, who have high social energy and have learned several automatic coping mechanism, or an very shy extrovert that also appreciate alone-time, - these two types being almost impossible to separate as they are practically the same. But in theory and if you strip people of all their experiences and learned behaviors I don't think any "neutral" people exist.

Theres a introvert scale and an extrovert scale yes, but your on either one as far as I see it.

I think that's about right. I get the impression also that the club-hopping chachies aren't the majority either - lots of people stay in and don't really feel comfortable going out. Seems like what you tend to see out in public is a significantly underinflated count of the docile and timid.

If the advice is sound, why not give it? Couldn't agree more with your post.