Feel as if my mind shuts down sometimes

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11 Feb 2012, 6:21 pm

Sometimes (very often), after experiencing too much pressure (every day after 1-2 PM), I feel as if my mind is half-shut down. It isn't just a feeling of tiredness or stress. When I walk past crowds when experiencing this, I will almost completely black out and feel like I'm not conscious. Or when I will go near detailed objects. Sometimes, my mind shuts down so much that everything around me mixes completely, that I can't process any information that I receive, to the point that I can't walk by myself. I will half-consciously see things around myself, but nothing will make sense. Any kind of information I will receive simply won't be processed by my brain in order to make me function. It usually takes me 30-40 minutes after the start of this 'attack' to start walking by myself (although everything will still be mixed up) and at least a day for everything to stop being mixed up. Sometimes it takes several days for everything to stop mixing up, and a day to start being able to walk independently again.

The 'attacks' started when I was around 9 on a crowded and noisy birthday party. The 'half-shut down' feeling was there far before that, but it was more like quarter-shut down.


What could this be? My neurologist thought that it might be epilepsy - I went through the testing, and it wasn't detected.



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11 Feb 2012, 6:32 pm

Sounds like you're getting over-stimulated to me, but it could also be low blood sugar, poor diet, lack of proper sleep, etc. I always have a dip in my energy around 1 or 2 in the afternoon, and sometimes I might feel woozy or have trouble thinking, but I've never had problems walking. Everyone is different though.


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11 Feb 2012, 6:39 pm

Aharon wrote:
Sounds like you're getting over-stimulated to me, but it could also be low blood sugar, poor diet, lack of proper sleep, etc. I always have a dip in my energy around 1 or 2 in the afternoon, and sometimes I might feel woozy or have trouble thinking, but I've never had problems walking. Everyone is different though.


During one of such 'attacks', I had my blood sugar measured, cardiograms taken, etc. etc. They all turned out normal. It isn't a 'woozy' feeling. Saying so is a huge understatement. It's a feeling as if a part of your processing system had been shut down (which happens every day after 2 PM). When it crosses the line and grows into an 'attack', I feel like the entire world had been shut down, that nothing around me makes sense. It's as if you're asleep or not conscious, but can still see things. It isn't just a feeling of being exhausted. It's a feeling of your mind being shut down, you being unable to walk without extensive help or do almost anything, and nothing around you making sense at all.



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11 Feb 2012, 6:45 pm

How does it compare to the descriptions of disassociating?



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11 Feb 2012, 6:50 pm

Sensory overload. I experience every time I go outside. We with ASD's cannot filter out extraneous stimuli that may or may not be important, so it overloads us. People with typical sensory processing can buffer some of it out and just focus on what needs to be focused on. I aliken it to a manually focusing a lens - actually non-ASD's have something more like auto focus; their focus is controlled on a sub conscious level. For most of us though we still use manual lenses. The way we adjust is to wear ear plugs or sunglasses or even bring along distractions or know that focusing on the smallest part of something can help you get through a stressful situation.

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11 Feb 2012, 6:52 pm

Do you have any associated physical symptoms like numbness, blocked ears, headaches, tingling either while you are having one of these "attacks" or afterwards?



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11 Feb 2012, 7:41 pm

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Sometimes (very often), after experiencing too much pressure (every day after 1-2 PM), I feel as if my mind is half-shut down. It isn't just a feeling of tiredness or stress. When I walk past crowds when experiencing this, I will almost completely black out and feel like I'm not conscious. Or when I will go near detailed objects. Sometimes, my mind shuts down so much that everything around me mixes completely, that I can't process any information that I receive, to the point that I can't walk by myself. I will half-consciously see things around myself, but nothing will make sense. Any kind of information I will receive simply won't be processed by my brain in order to make me function. It usually takes me 30-40 minutes after the start of this 'attack' to start walking by myself (although everything will still be mixed up) and at least a day for everything to stop being mixed up. Sometimes it takes several days for everything to stop mixing up, and a day to start being able to walk independently again.

The 'attacks' started when I was around 9 on a crowded and noisy birthday party. The 'half-shut down' feeling was there far before that, but it was more like quarter-shut down.


What could this be? My neurologist thought that it might be epilepsy - I went through the testing, and it wasn't detected.


What was your developmental trajectory like ? Growing up, where you a young child who appeared to be in their own world unaware of their surroundings ?

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11 Feb 2012, 7:54 pm

nerdymama wrote:
Do you have any associated physical symptoms like numbness, blocked ears, headaches, tingling either while you are having one of these "attacks" or afterwards?

How did you know?

I suppose mine is a bit more than sensory overload. I get the same symptoms though.
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11 Feb 2012, 8:01 pm

A daily occurrence for me but not as severe as yours, I think. A simple trip to the grocery store will make me feel like I've been up for 3 days. I'm lucky that I have a flexible work schedule. I work in the field and sometimes I will go home for a 30-45 minute nap to recharge.


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11 Feb 2012, 9:27 pm

I get something that sounds similar to what was originally posted, not to the point where I can't walk but it is difficult to get from place to place because I can't focus on anything in particular because my mind goes blank. I end up being in a state where I am somewhat aware of what is around me, I know that I can see it, but I am unable to pay attention to or think about anything specific.

I often have some combination of the physical symptoms I described either during or after one of these episode. My mother and sister occasionally experience this as well, though not nearly as frequently. We've seen doctors about it too and have had blood sugar tests and heart tests but have not figured out the cause yet.



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11 Feb 2012, 9:53 pm

I know what low blood sugar feels like and this, although similar, is different. When my blood sugar drops suddenly my hands will shake and I feel panicky. I do get the mental confusion but it's less of a sluggish feeling like with shutdown.


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11 Feb 2012, 11:12 pm

I would probably never suggest something as strong as this, but since you already have a neurologist that is testing you, have you been tested for other neurological issues, like MS?

It does sound more like just sensory overload, but a friend of mine with autism also has MS and will sometimes have bouts when his legs will not work properly, and it usually coincides with times of seriously high stress and general overload from life. It's only because of your mentioning of not being able to walk properly that I would EVER make this kind of connection/suggestion, so please don't think I'm being some kind of over-hypochondriac or something.



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11 Feb 2012, 11:17 pm

NicoleG wrote:
I would probably never suggest something as strong as this, but since you already have a neurologist that is testing you, have you been tested for other neurological issues, like MS?

It does sound more like just sensory overload, but a friend of mine with autism also has MS and will sometimes have bouts when his legs will not work properly, and it usually coincides with times of seriously high stress and general overload from life. It's only because of your mentioning of not being able to walk properly that I would EVER make this kind of connection/suggestion, so please don't think I'm being some kind of over-hypochondriac or something.


I can say that sensory overload (and emotional overload) both sometimes cause me to not walk properly. Strong enough sensory overload can actually be just as extreme as the OP mentions. I will have times that I lose the ability to speak or move at all. I will have times that I completely disassociate, and can mindlessly do exactly a program that I know what it is (which tends to be walking home), but can't react to things like if someone else is on the sidewalk (luckily the program includes avoiding cars).



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12 Feb 2012, 4:37 am

Sounds like severe sensory overload to me. It takes a *lot* more for me to reach the state you described, so I'd say you qualify as having a severe case of sensory processing disorder.

Below is an excerpt from someone's blog. She also experiences severe sensory processing stuff, and mentions motor and speech shutdowns. There's probably better entries on the blog about this stuff, but I'm too tired to figure out how to find them right now.

http://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/20 ... -a-hammer/

(Oh and there is some weird stuff floating around the internet about this person. IMO it's all very twisted and wrong, but I guess every person will have to make their own judgement about that.)

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Thing is, my experience of overload was this: I was simply being asked to process more information at once than was possible for me. I would hit a cognitive bottleneck and my brain would start shutting down all functions it deemed unnecessary to concentrate on processing the information so it would get working again. This could be a scary experience when I didn’t understand why it happened and fear didn’t help but it happened often enough with no help from fear or anxiety.

So even though this friend knew me at periods in my life when I frequently had speech and motor shutdowns, the last time I talked to her, she insisted on reinterpreting all of my experiences of sensory overload in terms of trauma that she imagined I experienced. Even in the face of me explaining that wasn’t the case.



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12 Feb 2012, 5:28 am

nerdymama wrote:
Do you have any associated physical symptoms like numbness, blocked ears, headaches, tingling either while you are having one of these "attacks" or afterwards?


No.



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12 Feb 2012, 5:31 am

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Transhuman wrote:
Sometimes (very often), after experiencing too much pressure (every day after 1-2 PM), I feel as if my mind is half-shut down. It isn't just a feeling of tiredness or stress. When I walk past crowds when experiencing this, I will almost completely black out and feel like I'm not conscious. Or when I will go near detailed objects. Sometimes, my mind shuts down so much that everything around me mixes completely, that I can't process any information that I receive, to the point that I can't walk by myself. I will half-consciously see things around myself, but nothing will make sense. Any kind of information I will receive simply won't be processed by my brain in order to make me function. It usually takes me 30-40 minutes after the start of this 'attack' to start walking by myself (although everything will still be mixed up) and at least a day for everything to stop being mixed up. Sometimes it takes several days for everything to stop mixing up, and a day to start being able to walk independently again.

The 'attacks' started when I was around 9 on a crowded and noisy birthday party. The 'half-shut down' feeling was there far before that, but it was more like quarter-shut down.


What could this be? My neurologist thought that it might be epilepsy - I went through the testing, and it wasn't detected.


What was your developmental trajectory like ? Growing up, where you a young child who appeared to be in their own world unaware of their surroundings ?

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Yes and no. I often didn't respond to my name. I 'came back' when my parents were already screaming trying to get me to respond. On the other hand, when there was an interesting activity, I couldn't stop focusing on it.

About my development trajectory:

Didn't say any words until I was about 2 1/3, only babbled or used my own words. Was spoon-fed until the age of 9. Couldn't tie my shoes until the age of 11-12. Didn't dress myself completely until the age of ~12-13. On the other hand, I didn't and don't have any intellectual abnormalities apart from a very poor working memory (which I was told after getting tested recently). My working memory subtest score is 6 as far as I remember, with 10 being the average.