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01 Apr 2012, 12:00 pm

This is bull crap IMO. I have 2 "caregivers" (duunuo if that's the word, but one shrink and one social worker)

so.. this social worker she is very good with ASD people because that's her profession. She works mainly with those guys.
The shrink is just a general shrink, a very good one imo tho.

So she says to me after alot of meetings and then she says, get this: "I KNEW FROM THE FIRST 2 MINUTES THAT YOU HAD ASPERGER" well you probably think I am a low func' guy but I am not. I am not acting or looking weird, reallly!! !. so if I am borderline NT how did she know? well, she said this is how I talk and the style of my... and blah blah I ask you fellow WPers is this possible or what?

And my shrink when he saw me firstly he thought I didn't look like an AS patient, he thought I have something called "Cluster B disorder" or something like that which in the end I ended up being diagnosed with BOTH. (although the Cluster B thingie more severe and more affecting my difficulties in life so he says and I agrees).

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01 Apr 2012, 12:12 pm

Clinicians with plenty of experience might recognise the signs quite easily. What you don't know is how often her first impression is incorrect.

Aspergers is high functioning, so don't get paranoid. Perhaps it was eye contact and your speech patterns. Some clinicians also can get some clues based on your walk or gait.


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01 Apr 2012, 12:16 pm

I saw those "high functioning aspies" but this guy she called him high func' was very low to me!! I guess therapists and regular people have different views regarding to level of functioning. Because when I look at the level of functioning, I look at the outside, what the guy can do, if he looks weird, self confidence and etc....



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01 Apr 2012, 12:18 pm

I was also told by the psych that assessed me that my ASD was obvious from the very beginning (i.e pretty much when I walked in the room). I don't know how, really, since I got to age 38 with no diagnosis ... but it was apparently obvious to someone who knows what they are looking for. I have since disclosed to a few people and most were not at all surprised.

But anyway ... I was also recently diagnosed with EDD (Emotional Dysregulation Disorder, which is also known as Emotionally Unstable Personality Disorder / BPD), and told that this is more responsible for my current difficulties than the ASD. Although I don't like having been diagnosed with this, I actually have to admit that sounds about right, and yes, does cause more difficulties than the ASD. So it looks like you and I are "in the same boat" so to speak. The psych did say, however that the EDD was most likely caused by years of trauma trying to deal with the ASD on my own and being constantly invalidated by others as a result.


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01 Apr 2012, 12:54 pm

I recently read Hans Asperger's original paper where the characteristics of Aspergers were first set out. In it he makes the point that once one knows what to look for, that the signs are quite easily recognisable when looking to see if someone has Aspergers. I understand that he had spent clinical time with hundreds of children, many of which e thought had the condition he was coming to define, and so I can see that with something like that level of familiarity and expertise in the diagnosis of Aspergers, it would become often easy to spot.



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01 Apr 2012, 1:21 pm

Chummy wrote:
I saw those "high functioning aspies" but this guy she called him high func' was very low to me!! I guess therapists and regular people have different views regarding to level of functioning. Because when I look at the level of functioning, I look at the outside, what the guy can do, if he looks weird, self confidence and etc....


high functioning usually means you can communicate verbally, and have an iq somewhere near the normal range. It's the verbal communication that is the differentiator from classic autism.

I've started wondering how I look to outsiders, have you considered how you appear? Perhaps you are not so different to this person you are comparing against.

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01 Apr 2012, 1:26 pm

Jtuk wrote:
high functioning usually means you can communicate verbally, and have an iq somewhere near the normal range. It's the verbal communication that is the differentiator from classic autism.


No, Kanner's first patients were not characterized by a lack of speech and would be described as "high functioning" now. Those characterized as "low functioning" were added to the definition later, which actually caused some consternation and controversy.



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01 Apr 2012, 2:22 pm

Verdandi wrote:
Jtuk wrote:
high functioning usually means you can communicate verbally, and have an iq somewhere near the normal range. It's the verbal communication that is the differentiator from classic autism.


No, Kanner's first patients were not characterized by a lack of speech and would be described as "high functioning" now. Those characterized as "low functioning" were added to the definition later, which actually caused some consternation and controversy.


Thanks for the history lesson, what I said is correct by today's standards.

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01 Apr 2012, 7:48 pm

Chummy wrote:
I saw those "high functioning aspies" but this guy she called him high func' was very low to me!! I guess therapists and regular people have different views regarding to level of functioning. Because when I look at the level of functioning, I look at the outside, what the guy can do, if he looks weird, self confidence and etc....


Appearance and self confidence, or "looking weird" have absolutely nothing to do with a person's level of functioning.

Are you trolling?



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01 Apr 2012, 10:54 pm

Jtuk wrote:
Verdandi wrote:
Jtuk wrote:
high functioning usually means you can communicate verbally, and have an iq somewhere near the normal range. It's the verbal communication that is the differentiator from classic autism.


No, Kanner's first patients were not characterized by a lack of speech and would be described as "high functioning" now. Those characterized as "low functioning" were added to the definition later, which actually caused some consternation and controversy.


Thanks for the history lesson, what I said is correct by today's standards.

Jason


... because today's standards are factually wrong.



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02 Apr 2012, 1:56 am

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I was also told by the psych that assessed me that my ASD was obvious from the very beginning (i.e pretty much when I walked in the room). I don't know how, really, since I got to age 38 with no diagnosis ... but it was apparently obvious to someone who knows what they are looking for. I have since disclosed to a few people and most were not at all surprised.

But anyway ... I was also recently diagnosed with EDD (Emotional Dysregulation Disorder, which is also known as Emotionally Unstable Personality Disorder / BPD), and told that this is more responsible for my current difficulties than the ASD. Although I don't like having been diagnosed with this, I actually have to admit that sounds about right, and yes, does cause more difficulties than the ASD. So it looks like you and I are "in the same boat" so to speak. The psych did say, however that the EDD was most likely caused by years of trauma trying to deal with the ASD on my own and being constantly invalidated by others as a result.


I dig you!! !!

I think those two disorders feed one another eg repetitive thoughts of AS make you in depression and you think all the time the same thoughts reoccur. So, one caused another (I think) at least in my case.

@jtuk

yeah man I think I look normal I even went ahead and asked people and they were truly surprised at my question. Some psychologist I talked to said they gave me this diagnosis only to help me get more medical care but I think I have it and if I know I have it I feel it you know.

@saturn

Hmm I didn't know that. When I first saw the AS people in the place where I go to theraphy I was kinda like WOW I don't belong here you know.... cause I thoguht they weren't aware of themselves.... but I guess my mind do think differently and she knew what to look for, regardless of how many times I've been told: it takes a long proccess... and etc etc.

@verdandi

Hmm I didn't know that as well. Thanks for the input.