Will Aspies disappear?
after finding out that the new DMS-V (5) that is to be released i believe sometime this year, that Aspergers Syndrome no longer will be a diagnosable disorder and thus no longer exists. That people is they do not fit the diagnosis of autism that they will lose their diagnosis.
I find this quite alarming because ive come to identify with AS and being AS even though no one in my current area wants to handle a case of Adult Aspergers and actually give me a proper diagnosis.
I have a lot of friends who also feel that they will in a sense lose part of their identity if there is no longer a diagnosis called Aspergers Syndrome.
So what will happen? I know that once the DSM's get swapped over to the 5th edition thats it it wont exist as a diagnosis but what will happen to the thousands of current aspies out there who identify as Aspies.
Aspies wont just dissapere will they? or will people push for the terminology to be coined again and re-introduced into future DSM's?
all of a sudden i feel so alone in the world, not knowing where I fit. AS gave me the answers it helped me see there really wasnt anything wrong with me, i feel that if AS doesnt exist i will just become that generalised weirdo/freak again.
Yeah, there's a small gap between AS and the "autism spectrum" diagnosis that's going to be in the DSM-V, but it doesn't really worry me that much.
Think of how they use the Asperger's diagnosis now. Lots of people who are diagnosed with Asperger's don't actually fit the criteria perfectly. They don't have enough traits, or they fit the Autistic Disorder diagnosis but the Asperger's stereotype, and are diagnosed Asperger's.
So, in the future, if this trend holds (and I have no reason to believe it won't, since it is common for all psychiatric diagnoses) then those borderline cases will be put into the Autism Spectrum Disorder category just like the borderline cases now are being put into the Asperger's or PDD-NOS categories.
They don't use the DSM-4 as strictly as it's written; they won't use the DSM-5 that strictly, either. When the autism spectrum gets merged, your Asperger's diagnosis will simply be an Autism Spectrum Disorder diagnosis instead.
Asperger's as a term will survive, if only as a part of the history of autism, because it is a significant part of how we learned about the full scope of autism. It will eventually become outdated, but the average psych student will still know what it means, similar to the way that psych students today still know what "neurosis", "Oedipus complex", and "hysteria" mean, even though they are not up-to-date terms.
The cutoff for diagnosis is not whether you specifically fit one category or another; it's whether you have symptoms that "together limit and impair everyday functioning". If you do, you'll get some diagnosis or other--whether it's autism spectrum disorder or something else. Though, if you already have an Asperger's diagnosis, or could get one now, it's pretty much a sure thing that you'd get an Autism Spectrum Disorder diagnosis under the new criteria. Psychologists--especially clinical psychologists--aren't really into using diagnostic guidelines all that rigidly.
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Think of how they use the Asperger's diagnosis now. Lots of people who are diagnosed with Asperger's don't actually fit the criteria perfectly. They don't have enough traits, or they fit the Autistic Disorder diagnosis but the Asperger's stereotype, and are diagnosed Asperger's.
So, in the future, if this trend holds (and I have no reason to believe it won't, since it is common for all psychiatric diagnoses) then those borderline cases will be put into the Autism Spectrum Disorder category just like the borderline cases now are being put into the Asperger's or PDD-NOS categories.
They don't use the DSM-4 as strictly as it's written; they won't use the DSM-5 that strictly, either. When the autism spectrum gets merged, your Asperger's diagnosis will simply be an Autism Spectrum Disorder diagnosis instead.
Asperger's as a term will survive, if only as a part of the history of autism, because it is a significant part of how we learned about the full scope of autism. It will eventually become outdated, but the average psych student will still know what it means, similar to the way that psych students today still know what "neurosis", "Oedipus complex", and "hysteria" mean, even though they are not up-to-date terms.
The cutoff for diagnosis is not whether you specifically fit one category or another; it's whether you have symptoms that "together limit and impair everyday functioning". If you do, you'll get some diagnosis or other--whether it's autism spectrum disorder or something else. Though, if you already have an Asperger's diagnosis, or could get one now, it's pretty much a sure thing that you'd get an Autism Spectrum Disorder diagnosis under the new criteria. Psychologists--especially clinical psychologists--aren't really into using diagnostic guidelines all that rigidly.
thanks Callista. I know that the last time i tried going for a diagnosis my psychologist had teh DSM-4 n said "look i could basically open anywhere in this book and make you fit in it, i highly doubt you have AS."
they just dont really know me. they seem to think after one session up here that they can diagnose a person. I live in the northern territory of australia. ah anyways thanks youve given me some hope yet, and oddly enough i am a psych student ^^
I am an Aspie. No change in the guide book can change that. I do consider Asperger's to be an Autism spectrum disorder, but it is definitely NOT classic Autism. I first learned about classic Autism at least 20 years before I ever heard about Asperger's. I continued to come across classic Autism info throughout those years before learning about Asperger's. I NEVER saw myself in classic Autism, but immediately saw myself in the very first article I ever read about Asperger's, and in all the other's since then. This is why Autism is called a spectrum. It covers a wide range of traits and strength of expression of those traits. This is also why it took so long for the psych docs to recognize these disorders as such.
I think, if the new diagnostic guidelines make clear the spectrum nature of this family of disorders, and how different people can be at different places on the spectrum, it won't matter that much. However, it will be a serious problem if they don't do this, as it is wrong to lump all of us as classic Autistic, when so many of us are clearly not, while at the same time, we are clearly somewhere on the spectrum, and not just a quirky NT.
In plain English, that means I can be classified as an Asperger's Syndrome Autistic, but it would not be correct to call me a Classic Autistic.
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That is funny that they would say that as it makes psychology seem like a bunch of bs and like they don't know what they are doing.
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Actually most likely people with AS will still have a diagnoses, it just wont specifically be referred to as AS, it will just be under the autism spectrum. Because essentially that is what AS is and from what I've seen of the new categorization It does not really seem like its going to exclude people with AS.
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I find this quite alarming because ive come to identify with AS and being AS even though no one in my current area wants to handle a case of Adult Aspergers and actually give me a proper diagnosis.
I have a lot of friends who also feel that they will in a sense lose part of their identity if there is no longer a diagnosis called Aspergers Syndrome.
So what will happen? I know that once the DSM's get swapped over to the 5th edition thats it it wont exist as a diagnosis but what will happen to the thousands of current aspies out there who identify as Aspies.
Aspies wont just dissapere will they? or will people push for the terminology to be coined again and re-introduced into future DSM's?
all of a sudden i feel so alone in the world, not knowing where I fit. AS gave me the answers it helped me see there really wasnt anything wrong with me, i feel that if AS doesnt exist i will just become that generalised weirdo/freak again.
What has happened in similar situations is that yes, communities were broken up. However, there are alot of people here who don't have Aspergers at all, so the the situation may be different. In any case, we all seem to have some similarities, mostly with social problems. So Wrong Planet will very likely continue to exist for us but have to market itself in other ways to connect with everyone. Those of us labeled with aspergers will likely fall under some other disorder. So we will have to keep an eye on the DSMV and figure out what diagnosis we receive, or establish ourselves as a community of people not identified by the DSM but still having common culture.
What we really need is a culture that is independent of diagnosis. We are just neurodiverse. NDs if you will, or endies, perhaps ender? I think I saw that term used elsewhere, but usually ender means some form of truck driver. It would seem it is time to take up the banner of neurodiversity. If anything I think this movement will be of benefit to ND movement. It is a sad fact that people with social troubles can be easily herded into a new personality through the use of suggestion (similar to hypnotic suggestion, but there is no hypnosis necessary... social isolation serves to do just the same only better and more reliable). Diagnose those with social troubles and they will look for the behaviors in themselves that are similar to those listed in the DSM, find similarity and attribute that behavior to their "disease." It is a cunning way to make people identify themselves to their peers as having "mental issues."
The therapy that we all need in the neurodiversity movement is to redefine the word personality. Personality are the traits that connect us to other people. They are the antithesis of those traits that separate us from the communities of others. Two sentences ago it would appear as though I've made a grammatical error. This is not the case. In redefining "Personality" I've changed it's grammar rules.
When personality separates us from others it is used against us as a weapon. So adopt no trait, seek to find nothing within yourself that separates you from others. What would happen if instead of being diagnostic in nature, psychology was pregnostic. Pregnostic meaning that its DSM listed what it was about personality that was healthy to adopt. Essentially suggesting us into being a part of the world that is now distant and difficult for us to understand?
That is funny that they would say that as it makes psychology seem like a bunch of bs and like they don't know what they are doing.
What she was being told was that the DSM isn't what it seems.
I have written a longer piece on this point, but I'll be short. We, aspies, should put our collective minds together and file for protection under The Endangered Species Act. Those NT clowns at APA will be so baffled, stunned they will not know how to respond. Meanwhile, we have bought ourselves some time in order to save our aspie designation and pride.