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19 Oct 2011, 6:57 am

So I have learned today that apparently my voice is loud enough to wake people up, something no one has actually told me, and previously I frequently spoke too quietly to be understood a lot of the time. This is a cycle that veers wildly back and forth but I never seem to be able to find a happy medium - I always sound the same to myself whether I am speaking too quietly or too loudly.

But in this case, it's a matter of apparently people being upset about something and never telling me about it until it can be done in such a way to effectively (socially) throw me under the bus, or until they get angry at me because I never act on their annoyance that they never describe.

So annoying. :evil:



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19 Oct 2011, 7:12 am

I can relate. Often when people have a problem with me, or find something that I do to be annoying, they don't tell me; hence I continue doing it, and eventually they full-out rage at me. It huts, and it would be a lot nicer if people were just openly honest about how they feel instead of lying about it. Yet sadly, no matter how many times I ask people to tell me when I'm annoying them, very few ever do...



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19 Oct 2011, 7:26 am

I can't tell you how many times I've said exactly the same thing over the years.



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19 Oct 2011, 7:35 am

They're bottling things up until their pressure valve becomes blown and so things then all come out in a rage. It's hard to tell when they're bottling up and when they're about to blow.



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19 Oct 2011, 7:43 am

Which makes no sense. They could say something, rather than assume that the annoyance is deliberate or malicious.



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19 Oct 2011, 7:59 am

Baris10 wrote:
Yet sadly, no matter how many times I ask people to tell me when I'm annoying them, very few ever do...


To do so would be extremely unnatural.



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19 Oct 2011, 8:15 am

Verdandi wrote:
But in this case, it's a matter of apparently people being upset about something and never telling me about it until it can be done in such a way to effectively (socially) throw me under the bus, or until they get angry at me because I never act on their annoyance that they never describe.


I've had that happen to me a lot.



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19 Oct 2011, 8:21 am

Tell whoever it is to chill. Nobody's perfect so I doubt very seriously if they walk on eggshells around others. Why should you be required to do it? Just be yourself. That's good enough.



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19 Oct 2011, 9:29 am

The problem is probably that they know that if they say something to you, you'll flip out.



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19 Oct 2011, 9:51 am

In my case, they've never involved grudges, but I was embarrassed anyway. Being told that I was a messy eater is one example that comes to mind.



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19 Oct 2011, 9:58 am

I thought it was only a British problem.

Too much politeness, until one day it spills out in an uncontrolled attack which nobody gets over.

People seem useless at assertiveness, as if they feel it's too risky to stand up to people....as long as the problem isn't overwhelming, it can be ignored. Everything is glossed over with fake nods and smiles.

You can even ask them if they've got any complaints and they'll say everything's fine.

I don't know what the solution is. I have enough trouble being assertive myself. It should be taught in schools, how to recognise when it's appropriate, the right language to express it in, role-playing sessions in which the student has to stand their ground without alienating people too much.



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19 Oct 2011, 10:05 am

Poke wrote:
The problem is probably that they know that if they say something to you, you'll flip out.


I don't flip out. That's a product of your imagination and/or tendency to project onto other people. Just let this subject go. Forever.

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Tell whoever it is to chill. Nobody's perfect so I doubt very seriously if they walk on eggshells around others. Why should you be required to do it? Just be yourself. That's good enough.


This is excellent and to the point.



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19 Oct 2011, 10:12 am

ToughDiamond wrote:
I thought it was only a British problem.

Too much politeness, until one day it spills out in an uncontrolled attack which nobody gets over.

People seem useless at assertiveness, as if they feel it's too risky to stand up to people....as long as the problem isn't overwhelming, it can be ignored. Everything is glossed over with fake nods and smiles.

You can even ask them if they've got any complaints and they'll say everything's fine.

I don't know what the solution is. I have enough trouble being assertive myself. It should be taught in schools, how to recognise when it's appropriate, the right language to express it in, role-playing sessions in which the student has to stand their ground without alienating people too much.


Oh, yeah. I've been on the receiving end of the politeness and then the attack. It's so frustrating.

I've had issues with assertiveness over the years. I didn't think I had much social anxiety, but I've been having less trouble asserting myself since starting Zoloft. The fun part being that I am apparently more "autistically blunt" (not confrontational) so I have to try harder to remember not to say the wrong thing because I don't have the anxiety holding it back.



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19 Oct 2011, 10:30 am

Verdandi wrote:
Poke wrote:
The problem is probably that they know that if they say something to you, you'll flip out.


I don't flip out. That's a product of your imagination and/or tendency to project onto other people. Just let this subject go. Forever.

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Tell whoever it is to chill. Nobody's perfect so I doubt very seriously if they walk on eggshells around others. Why should you be required to do it? Just be yourself. That's good enough.


This is excellent and to the point.

Im sorry but I believe this wasnt adressed to you but it was his way of saying that the usual response when someone tells another person that they are annoying is flipping out.


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19 Oct 2011, 10:41 am

spongy wrote:
Im sorry but I believe this wasnt adressed to you but it was his way of saying that the usual response when someone tells another person that they are annoying is flipping out.


There's history here you may be unaware of.



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19 Oct 2011, 10:42 am

Verdandi wrote:
I've been having less trouble asserting myself since starting Zoloft. The fun part being that I am apparently more "autistically blunt" (not confrontational) so I have to try harder to remember not to say the wrong thing because I don't have the anxiety holding it back.


Sounds like me after 3 pints of Guinness. :)