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11 Aug 2012, 6:54 am

We're disattached from the real world. That's how the world works, we're born on a pretty basic premise. People reproduce in order to continue the family and live for their selfish and pointless pleasures. But we just don't want to accept who we were born, we don't want to accept how useless we are in this world. The world is a cruel place, It's easier to turn away.



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11 Aug 2012, 7:00 am

How is reproducing any more real than anything else I might choose to do?
(Not asocial, just very introverted, but I still don't see how reproducing would be any more "real" than anything else.)


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11 Aug 2012, 7:03 am

Who_Am_I wrote:
How is reproducing any more real than anything else I might choose to do?
(Not asocial, just very introverted, but I still don't see how reproducing would be any more "real" than anything else.)

Well that's just a part of reality we live in, but I'm not saying It's more real than anything else. It's just that a majority of people think It's a duty.
It's like people act how they are coded, but people who lack these functions are forced to accept their disability and still act like a regular person. That's just too unfair.
That's how serial killers are born.



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11 Aug 2012, 7:25 am

Dizzee wrote:
Who_Am_I wrote:
How is reproducing any more real than anything else I might choose to do?
(Not asocial, just very introverted, but I still don't see how reproducing would be any more "real" than anything else.)

Well that's just a part of reality we live in, but I'm not saying It's more real than anything else. It's just that a majority of people think It's a duty.
It's like people act how they are coded, but people who lack these functions are forced to accept their disability and still act like a regular person. That's just too unfair.
That's how serial killers are born.


Yeah, it is just a part of reality, and there's a lot more to the world than the social world.
I don't think that just because reproducing is seen as the most important thing by the majority means that it has to be imposed on others as their duty. It's really your own decision what you choose to do with your life.
Also, noone is forcing me to act like a regular person; I can't see how that would be possible. Are there people going around attacking people with cattle prods if they don't talk about the weather or go out for Friday night drinks, or if they don't have at least x number of children by age y?


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11 Aug 2012, 7:41 am

Who_Am_I wrote:
Dizzee wrote:
Who_Am_I wrote:
How is reproducing any more real than anything else I might choose to do?
(Not asocial, just very introverted, but I still don't see how reproducing would be any more "real" than anything else.)

Well that's just a part of reality we live in, but I'm not saying It's more real than anything else. It's just that a majority of people think It's a duty.
It's like people act how they are coded, but people who lack these functions are forced to accept their disability and still act like a regular person. That's just too unfair.
That's how serial killers are born.


Yeah, it is just a part of reality, and there's a lot more to the world than the social world.
I don't think that just because reproducing is seen as the most important thing by the majority means that it has to be imposed on others as their duty. It's really your own decision what you choose to do with your life.
Also, noone is forcing me to act like a regular person; I can't see how that would be possible. Are there people going around attacking people with cattle prods if they don't talk about the weather or go out for Friday night drinks, or if they don't have at least x number of children by age y?

It's our decision what we want to do in life, but there a still things that are "more right" to people, we might choose what's more satisfying to do for us but sometimes psychological pressure is unavoidable from people around you.



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11 Aug 2012, 8:06 am

Yes, people do things because they're literally programmed to do them; internal programming (nature), and external programming (nurture).

Even choosing to rebel against one's programing is programmed.

Free will doesn't exist.



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11 Aug 2012, 8:10 am

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Yes, people do things because they're literally programmed to do them; internal programming (nature), and external programming (nurture).

Even choosing to rebel against one's programing is programmed.

Free will doesn't exist.

Yup, unfortunetaly we can't even choose who we're born. It's like your soul is thrown into a random body.



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11 Aug 2012, 8:24 am

Our conscious is just as much a vessel as our body is, both are to serve the purpose we're programmed for.

The only question I have is, why do we have the intelligence to figure this out? Seems like it's a waste of resources, though perhaps it's an inevitable product of our adaptation to the environment, and gaining one thing (intelligence to construct spears that can pierce the hide of the largest animal, for example), equates to gaining other things that don't seem like they're worth it from a purely survival perspective (but they're there anyway).

I can't say I'm really bothered by the fact that...I really have no say over anything (when people created their gods and fate, how ironic that its outcome was the same as the ultimate logical conclusion to human existence; no choice).



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11 Aug 2012, 8:31 am

Dillogic wrote:
Our conscious is just as much a vessel as our body is, both are to serve the purpose we're programmed for.

The only question I have is, why do we have the intelligence to figure this out? Seems like it's a waste of resources, though perhaps it's an inevitable product of our adaptation to the environment, and gaining one thing (intelligence to construct spears that can pierce the hide of the largest animal, for example), equates to gaining other things that don't seem like they're worth it from a purely survival perspective (but they're there anyway).

I can't say I'm really bothered by the fact that...I really have no say over anything (when people created their gods and fate, how ironic that its outcome was the same as the ultimate logical conclusion to human existence; no choice).

Well if consciousness is just a vessel and there's nothing beyond, why do we even exist in the first place? You can't make up something from nothing.



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11 Aug 2012, 11:22 am

I don't know if I've understood you correctly, but I'd say that you can make up something from the consciousness even though it was a "vessel", because there are a lot of things that a vessel like that can produce, it doesn't matter that it initially was determined for something else. You're born with tendencies according to what nature craves that you do, and you can't do anything about this, but mind and consciousness is so much more than this. You as a whole are not programmed or determined. You are able to do more than just listening to the tendencies, because consciousness contains more than this, and because you can challenge the tendencies and indeed have free will. It is possible, human beings are smart enough to do that.

I think evolution has mutated a lot of things in human beings, and that you can explain much in the world by its laws. But I also think that evolution has lost it's predictability and laws by the natural science, as we know it, when it mutated the brain to something that can't be matched by anything in this world.



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11 Aug 2012, 11:57 am

Dizzee wrote:
Dillogic wrote:
Our conscious is just as much a vessel as our body is, both are to serve the purpose we're programmed for.

The only question I have is, why do we have the intelligence to figure this out? Seems like it's a waste of resources, though perhaps it's an inevitable product of our adaptation to the environment, and gaining one thing (intelligence to construct spears that can pierce the hide of the largest animal, for example), equates to gaining other things that don't seem like they're worth it from a purely survival perspective (but they're there anyway).

I can't say I'm really bothered by the fact that...I really have no say over anything (when people created their gods and fate, how ironic that its outcome was the same as the ultimate logical conclusion to human existence; no choice).

Well if consciousness is just a vessel and there's nothing beyond, why do we even exist in the first place? You can't make up something from nothing.

yes you can,

spacetime can hold everything required for its own creation internally.

at least when folded in a certain way before time began.

elementar particles are popping in and out of existence billions of times every second, even in a vacuum.

"nothing" in this case is limited by our ridicoulously limited perceptive abilities.


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