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PixelPony
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16 Aug 2012, 5:20 pm

In particular, I'm curious about how you learned what different animals were. I've been discussing it with a few people, and want to get a larger sample size.

So far, everyone I've asked learned their animals separately. For example, they learned dog, then cat. If they were then shown a horse, they didn't know what a horse was, but they knew it wasn't a dog or a cat. Each animal's separateness from other animals was self-evident, and they only needed the name of the animal.

How I learned was completely different. I learned the first animal, dog I think, and every animal after was categorized by how it wasn't a dog. At first all animals were dogs, then cats were pointed out, and I thought cats were small and dogs were big. Then I found out about cows, which I called dogs, and was corrected. So then dogs were medium sized four legged furry animals, cows were large ones, cats were small ones. When I saw a horse, I called it a cow, and was corrected again. So the fat large ones were cows and the skinny fast large ones were horses. Small dogs threw me for a while until I found another distinction between dogs and cats.

And so on. My knowledge of animals, and most things, is essentially one gigantic decision tree. I don't consciously work through the tree anymore, except when I occasionally encounter some new animal. If it's something weirdly between all of my accepted categories, my mind zips down the logic tree until it hits a point of failure. The animal doesn't fit anywhere. There's a few moments of serious discomfort, the creature not fitting into any place makes it hard to look at, like it's foggy, except the fog isn't a physical vision problem. Then my mind gets past this error mode and I can see the animal clearly, and start trying to fit it onto my tree someplace.


So I was just wondering where you all fell on this, or did you have an entirely different experience?


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MinorAnnoyance
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16 Aug 2012, 6:43 pm

I have no recollection at all of learning animals. I don't have much long term memory of experiences at all.



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16 Aug 2012, 10:26 pm

Everyone else is wrong and you are right. According to research, humans learn animals at first as all being dogs, then the process is exactly as you described it, so I won't repeat Thing is, most humans don't remember or aren't conscious of this process, that's why they tell you otherwise.

Indeed, as you mention, at first, a child will call any living thing walking on all fours, "doggy". From there, when shown the difference, the non-dog becomes "cat". And so on. But there's a maturity stage to be reached before the child can differentiate the sub-group from the generic group. You can't rush a child to differentiate between animals before he's reached the right stage.

Your metaphor of a tree in the learning process is very good.


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16 Aug 2012, 11:14 pm

This book talks about that topic: The brain-shaped mind
Summarizing, it seems like the brain starts generalizing:

dogs = animals with four legs

then when you see a difference you create a new category:


dogs = animals with four legs & long muzzles,
cats = animals with four legs & short muzzles



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16 Aug 2012, 11:19 pm

I learned cats first, from iFather doodling cats eberrywhere. Also rabbits. To this day, I am obsessed with cats and rabbits. I like to doodle them eberrywhere.