Today it's an ''Aspie thing'', tomorrow it's not

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29 Aug 2012, 10:45 am

I know there is a lot of black and white thinking on here because I've seen it, like we all know it is typically common in Aspies to have special interests, so some Aspies seem to believe that NTs are dead opposite; nothing at all interests them, which is not true. Also we all know it is typically common in Aspies to like to follow a routine and we dislike routine disruptions, then some Aspies seem to believe that NTs are dead opposite; they all hate routine. I think the words ''nothing'' and ''hate'' are a bit strong to use for a whole group of people, and I think people here sometimes overjustify things, because I've met plenty of NTs who also follow routine but maybe not get as anxious when it is disrupted as I do, or practically every NT that I have met is interested in something other than sports or celebrities, like gardening, films, books, art, et cetera, but maybe not get as obsessed over particular subjects as me, that still doesn't mean nothing interests them at all in any way.

But the main point of this thread is a thread normally springs up saying something random, like....say ''do Aspies tend to eat fast?'', then a few weeks later another thread springs up saying ''is it an Aspie trait to eat slow?'' And because a lot of Aspies have black and white thinking, the hidden side meaning to ''Aspies tend to eat fast'' probably means ''NTs eat too slow'', but then a few weeks later when the opposite comes up, it could mean ''NTs eat too fast'', so that concludes that neither is true, that it is just invented by Aspies here.

Does anyone else agree that things are obviously made up and swing from one opposite to the other a lot on here? I know there are some common Aspie traits where we normally do either one or the other, like talking too slow or too fast, that can be common, but what I mean here are quite different to that. I can't think of anything off hand at the moment, except one time when it says everywhere that Aspies ''walk around with their eyes closed'' (meaning we don't observe anything around us) then a few weeks later someone claimed that NTs are the ones that ''walk around with their eyes closed'', so I don't quite know the rational answer there. Those are the sorts of things that I mean, and what I see quite frequently here, and what this thread is about.


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29 Aug 2012, 11:33 am

There are vast differences along the spectrum. And, here is the thing, while you may find a number of Autistics who have Black and White thinking, some want at all and most will in certain social situations/subject matters. As a matter of fact(as i'm sure you are aware of) it is not a criteria for ASDs BUT when present with other social and communication impairments, it's magnified.

There exists Non-Autistics who think in Black and White too BUT in my humble opinion; often-times, the thought process tends to be different. It appears to be based more on adherence to dogma and invested emotionalism rather than literal analytical thinking.

Basically, and i say this with all due respect, science may never find defining characteristics common to all Autistics. Even with genetics, science will probably find common active 'Autism' genes in twins THAT produce different outcomes. Also, they will probably find inactive 'Autism' genes in individuals THAT are Autistic.

*Just an opinion and should be taken as such.

Basically, what I am saying IS: Diversity as human beings (regardless of being on the spectrum) promotes discussion on a wide range of topics that may appear to be contradictory to an individual's own unique experiences.

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29 Aug 2012, 1:47 pm

Unfortunately with any question that attempts to stereotype groups of people, there will always be people who are very absolutest in their thinking, and it's because the human brain in general doesn't deal well with statistics or partial truths.
I find "Is this an aspie trait?" threads to be fun, and you don't have to be a black and white thinker to ask questions like that. There's a fine line between saying something is an aspie trait and saying that it is definitive of aspergers.

I would also call out the other group of people who seem to think a group of people cannot have tendencies or be stereotyped at all. Even if a group of people are only 20 percent more likely to have a certain trait I think it's noteworthy to some degree.



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29 Aug 2012, 2:08 pm

Hi, I am pretty new here - but just an observation, thinking of myself as well - I think a lot of these observations matter to the person asking and to others. I think that 'noticing things', having an analytical bent, and then 'wondering about it' is just a natural curiosity for a lot of us (yes, we are indeed all different :D, so viva exceptions and individuality) . Even noticing and then questioning the questioning - :D I know if I am trying to figure out if something is 'normal', who do you ask? It feels good to be able to ask, it feels good to wonder, and to sort things out - it does matter to me and obviously to others - and maybe there is no answer - but, without trying to make everyone the 'same', I think this is par for the course of living in a world of details - of forever noticing things - and I think it is a lovely outlet - a relief - to ask, if simply for the pleasure of having somewhere to ask. I find it both fun and interesting. And, actually, I am told I can be literal, but subjectively speaking, I feel like I live in a world of 'too many shades of grey'. I don't feel like I am black and white because my head is so full - and, actually, that makes sense if you study cognitive science - Roman Jakobson/ George Lakoff, etc - I should do a post on that because it is interesting. Anyways, I have to pick a choice from an endless chain of choices - and I am not sure which one to grab - I am always trying to make it all fit together. I probably still won't have an answer per-se, but to have company in the 'asking' is glorious.



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29 Aug 2012, 5:00 pm

We all experience things differently on here and no two Aspies are the same. I'll mention one thing, though. I'm sick of all the NT bashing that goes on. I'm posting here today, because an NT brought me into this world and gave me life - my Mum.


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29 Aug 2012, 11:25 pm

It does get a bit silly with the trait threads, which can spawn a range of learned behaviors in readers. It's very similar to 'Red Honda syndrome'. where someone goes out to the Honda agency and buys a red Accord, then suddenly a lot more people are driving red Accords


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30 Aug 2012, 2:45 pm

Joe90 wrote:

Does anyone else agree that things are obviously made up and swing from one opposite to the other a lot on here? I know there are some common Aspie traits where we normally do either one or the other, like talking too slow or too fast, that can be common, but what I mean here are quite different to that. I can't think of anything off hand at the moment, except one time when it says everywhere that Aspies ''walk around with their eyes closed'' (meaning we don't observe anything around us) then a few weeks later someone claimed that NTs are the ones that ''walk around with their eyes closed'', so I don't quite know the rational answer there. Those are the sorts of things that I mean, and what I see quite frequently here, and what this thread is about.


I agree with this bit. I admit there are common traits where people on the autistic spectrum can either be one extreme or the other, but things like this dont always make sense. Ive seen a thread saying something like do Nts have the same type of clothing style, (meaning for example, as I've seen in the thread, that one Nt likes hoodies he/she will stick to hoodies most days, stuff like that), then another thread springs up saying do aspies have the same clothing style. Can be a bit confusing, since you read a thread asking one thing and you reply to it, then you see another thread asking the opposite and you like 'I just replied to the opposite to that a couple of weeks ago'.