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04 Sep 2012, 9:22 pm

I'd like to know if there was someone who hasn't had thimerosal-containing vaccines but was still diagnosed with an ASD.

I find people's claims that vaccines are evil quite dangerous, so I'm trying to get as informed as possible on how legit these claims are and so far I have found no evidence supporting them. I thought asking this could be interesting.


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04 Sep 2012, 9:47 pm

There is no proof to say that vaccines cause aspergers. I find this horribly offensive (not you, just the idea in general). There was a great Penn and Teller's BS episode on it, which explained it all.



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04 Sep 2012, 10:01 pm

I am not familiar with themerosol vaccines. I think vaccines are crucial to prevent outbreaks of disease. We have already had pertussis outbreaks in the US because of parents too lazy to get their children vaccinated. It would be terrible if we had outbreaks of diphtheria, measles and mumps. Thankfully, polio has been eradicated in the western hemisphere.



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04 Sep 2012, 10:10 pm

zxy8 wrote:
There is no proof to say that vaccines cause aspergers. I find this horribly offensive (not you, just the idea in general). There was a great Penn and Teller's BS episode on it, which explained it all.


It's five in the morning where I live (and I haven't gone to sleep yet) so I might have worded this unclearly, but I do not think that vaccines cause ASDs. I am actually in a discussion with a person who claims this and I'm looking for a simple way to disproof it.


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04 Sep 2012, 10:18 pm

CocoNuts wrote:
I am actually in a discussion with a person who claims this and I'm looking for a simple way to disproof it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfdZTZQvuCo show them this video then...


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04 Sep 2012, 10:34 pm

tall-p wrote:
CocoNuts wrote:
I am actually in a discussion with a person who claims this and I'm looking for a simple way to disproof it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfdZTZQvuCo show them this video then...


Nice video :D
Problem is, he also doesn't believe that vaccines prevent diseases.


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04 Sep 2012, 11:10 pm

CocoNuts wrote:
Problem is, he also doesn't believe that vaccines prevent diseases.


Smallpox was the original disease prevented by vaccination.

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{Wikipedia article on smallpox} After vaccination campaigns throughout the 19th and 20th centuries, the WHO certified the eradication of smallpox in 1979.


So the whole world has been cleared of smallpox through vaccination campaigns. That's a huge advance in public health.

I think the onus is on your friend to support his claim that vaccines don't prevent diseases.

I was born in the 1950s. I suspect that the vaccination regime was different back then. I and several other close relatives are on the autism spectrum.



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04 Sep 2012, 11:23 pm

Yup, my little sister. No vaccines whatsoever, still an Aspie.


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05 Sep 2012, 1:03 am

CocoNuts wrote:
zxy8 wrote:
There is no proof to say that vaccines cause aspergers. I find this horribly offensive (not you, just the idea in general). There was a great Penn and Teller's BS episode on it, which explained it all.


It's five in the morning where I live (and I haven't gone to sleep yet) so I might have worded this unclearly, but I do not think that vaccines cause ASDs. I am actually in a discussion with a person who claims this and I'm looking for a simple way to disproof it.


I never said that I thought you thought that. I gave you a way.



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05 Sep 2012, 2:09 am

I didn't had vaccines being very little and still allready showed autistic symptomes from beginning.
Later on I got vaccines, but they changed nothing on my behaviour and I had shown the autistic symptomes even befor without them.


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05 Sep 2012, 2:37 am

CocoNuts wrote:
I'd like to know if there was someone who hasn't had thimerosal-containing vaccines but was still diagnosed with an ASD.

I find people's claims that vaccines are evil quite dangerous, so I'm trying to get as informed as possible on how legit these claims are and so far I have found no evidence supporting them. I thought asking this could be interesting.


"Common knowledge" is precisely what it says -- common. It is often completely wrong.

There is a very logical reason to be very suspicious about claims that vaccines cause autism -- in autism, some parts of the brain supposedly have more neurons than normal. If this is true, then for vaccines to cause autism, they would have to cause those parts of the brain to grow brand new neurons and that just doesn't happen. There is only one mammal that I know of (but there are probably more) that are still growing neurons for the brain at birth -- the ferret. Even ferrets complete the process of growing neurons within the first few days of life. From then on, we are busy pruning neurons, not growing new neurons.



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05 Sep 2012, 3:01 am

I had seizures and high fevers after mine when little (the former probably caused by the latter).

I theorize those with ASDs are actually more prone to experiencing side-effects of such (after all, they are more prone to experiencing side-effects from medication, as per eMedicine).



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05 Sep 2012, 3:34 am

Never had them, because of illnesses and also allergies.

I have AS. Diagnosed.


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05 Sep 2012, 3:45 am

I'm assuming you mean MMR? correct me if I'm wrong.
I was born and grew up before it was available. Almost died of mumps. Very much ASD. The lies and misconceptions make me very angry.



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05 Sep 2012, 3:53 am

I glad there is a chicken pox vaccine. Those kids who received it will never have to endure shingles in their later years. In the health field you must have the hepatitis B vaccine. I wish there were vaccines for Hepatitis C and HIV.



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05 Sep 2012, 5:10 am

Danimal wrote:
I glad there is a chicken pox vaccine. Those kids who received it will never have to endure shingles in their later years.

A couple of years after going through chemo for stage 4 non-Hodgkins lymphoma I had shingles in my face. Shingles is far far worse than the cancer I got ... ... ask your doctor if you might benefit from the vaccine. If he/she says yes, then take the shot. The way to explain shingles is on a pain scale from one to ten... shingles is a ten. You NEVER get over it. People who had it don't link up and "share" on the www. You don't talk to your kids about what happened... your doctor, if he didn't give you a vaccine will not ask you about your experience... he will want to move on... he/she will NEVER bring it up.


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