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ok im sorry, Let just keep this. can
folks with aspie/hfa have IQ in the 70's or 80's.
I got rid of my other post cuz I thought it might offend
people.

Last edited by billiscool on 03 Dec 2006, 5:20 pm, edited 4 times in total.

Do you have asperger's or Autism?

I don't know. You completely changed the question I responded to however!

Bill AS people can NOT have an IQ of 70-80! The definition says they can not have significant developmental deficiencies outside of social.

ALSO, it says test about normal or better. Frankly, I would think that means high 90s at worst.

What is you preoccupation with this anyway. I got a set of CDs recently, and the guy had a nice quote from someone else....

"Argue for you limitations, and SURE ENOUGH, they're YOURS!"! YOU are arguing for your limitations! If YOU want them, GREAT! Do you have to bring that arguement here?

Steve

Oh, i wasn't offended, but it depends on who you ask. Wkipedia says people with an IQ below 80 can't have HFA. Another website said the cutoff for low functioning autism was 70. Wikipedia doesn't have a source to back p the 80 number though.

This site says hfa must be more than 80 however:
http://myturl.com/08Mu1

Last edited by alex on 03 Dec 2006, 7:15 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Part of the problem though is that IQ tests can be innacurate for those on the spectrum which led to professionals thinking for a long time that many with autism also were MR. I really don't think there is a big deal about IQ's because there are some savants with very impressive skills but have other diffiuclties so how would you classify them?

Also - just out of curiousity if anyone knows this - at what age is IQ determined. My son was tested before and it was over 80 however he was very uncooperative and so I don't think any test could really be accurate if that happens.

Yeah, IQ is really biased and very much influenced on culture. It generally means little in regard to how intelligent someone is.

You are right about tests not being the sole judge, Still, if someone ELSE is going to discuss things in term of IQ...

Steve

100 is averaage, but 90-110 is in the average range. I have a full range IQ of 95. That's because my verbal IQ is 118 and my performance level IQ is 88. That's a common, strange range for an Aspie, similar to a NVLD. You don't have to be EXACTLY average or above to have Aspergers. You just can't be MR, which is below 70, or have had a speech delay. Not all Aspies are brainiacs. That's a misconception. Many struggle with academics. Many, like me, have fragmented IQ's.

Right, Aspie94... That phenomenon of having some parts of the IQ score way higher than other parts is really common among Aspies. I was reading at a 10th grade, maybe even college level in the third grade (my mom's medical texts ), but my math skills were at the second grade level--a learning disability... That's an IQ difference between parts of my score of at least 50 points, if not more.

If you were to look at a graph of an NT's IQ score, you might see a kind of wavy line, with some parts, representing strengths, higher than others, representing weaknesses. With an Aspie's IQ score, though, you'd see a graph that's a jagged zig-zag, with high peaks and low valleys. Same with autism, high and low functioning both. An autistic with a low IQ score might have peaks at 110 and valleys at 60... one with a high IQ score, at 90 and 140. Notice that the guy with the lower IQ functions above average in some areas, and the guy with the higher IQ, below average sometimes. Heck, if you picked the right pair of autistics, you could get one guy that the doctors call "ret*d" tutoring the "genius" on something said "genius" doesn't get. (Provided they can communicate, that is.)

Here are a couple of Wiki articles which could help you. I've included a short summary with each article.

Intelligence tests and autism
Summary: Autism often causes low scores on IQ tests, despite normal intelligence. Low IQ scores may not mean low intelligence, though high IQ scores usually mean high intelligence.

Controversies about functioning labels in the autism spectrum
Summary: Autism is divided into HFA and LFA by the presence of language skills and/or an IQ above 70-80, but distinctions are controversial and it's hard to know where to draw the line. The same person may be considered HFA by some criteria, LFA by others, ex. a person who is nonverbal but lives on their own.

An IQ in the 70s or 80s would probably be borderline between HFA and LFA... a very blurry borderline. But does it really matter? There are so many definitions of both terms that it might just make more sense to say "autistic" and leave it at that. Acquiring language skills at a normal age might be an indication in favor of AS, though.

Gee, I never thought of the differences for autistic people, ive been diagnosed AS but am not convinced 100%, i was IQ tested at about 14 and I also wasnt happy about having the test, i wasnt told it was a IQ test, i was always off school being dragged around to specailists and hated it becuase it made me feel like i had mental problems.

i was told that IQ didn't change with age unless something happens to your brain, i scored 125-135 wich he said was far below genius but above average and in the top 95% of world population, that was the first time i knew i wasnt dumber than the whole school as people often made out.

i did a live tv test and scored 70 and my NT wife scored about 125, we both then tried a online test and both averaged 127 over and over so i must be either 125-135 or 70 or 127.

I did very poor at school apart from art and had my highs and lows with maths and science, i just couldn't get interested in school, I also often felt that most straight A kids were not very smart about anything outside of what the teachers programed them with.

I thought the test would cover a wide range off cultures and ages over 10 but I am not always good at understanding questions without further explanation or responding quick to questions wich made it hard.

I didnt only have problems developing social skills, I remember hearing things like my comprehension skills were about 18 months behind for my age, if i read a novel that had nothing i could relate to in it i could barely recall anything i read but on the other hand if i read a article on electronics or cars i could remember and understand the lot.

Unless you can get into a technical job I dont think IQ is much use except for hobbies at home, everyone still thinks i am dumb except for close friends who have been to my house, ive noticed at work that it isnt what you know that gets you anywere, its getting upper management to like and respect you that allows you to become succsefull, i wash cars for a living while i watch everyone else in the company move up with out ever having to do any good work, fortunately i get paid near double the award wage for the crappy position i am trapped in.

It's important too that while people with a low IQ can have LFA, it does not necessarily follow that everybody with LFA also has a low IQ.

I wonder what happens if someone had an IQ of 80 but showed aspergers??? Then what does it mean? They are autistic, not aspergers or HFA even if they didn't have a speech delay?

I do not think there is a correlation between IQ and social lives or lack thereof.

Look at me. I don't think my IQ is too much higher than average, yet I have no social life outside of WP.

Richard Bach, Illusions: The Adventures of a Reluctant Messiah

I've had my IQ tested and gotten answers as high as 187 and as low as 141. At least that's what I was told-- I was constantly being pulled out of class and subjected to endless tests. Some of them I felt stupid taking, others I made the testers nervous because I apparently knew more than they did.

Looking back, it occurs to me that there were an awful lot of those tests, and I never asked why I was taking them.

I tried to take an IQ test, but I got distracted by some shiny objects.