Fantasy confined... trapped within dreams?
This may be relevant as the faculty of imagination seems to be... different, at least, for ASD people.
As a young teen I've actually relished this capability of mine to just fantasize... mostly it was fuelled from video game storylines, but I felt I could create a sufficiently fantastic narration whenever I wanted, and I liked it so much that I once told someone fantasy was my best ability (not that I wasn't good at anything else but daydreaming... it's just indicative of its importance).
Now, all of that seems to have been childhood grandiosity and I've been rotting for the past half a decade. I can't even fully immerse myself in an external (artistic) fantasy, let alone create any of my own anymore... it's quite a contrast. Sometimes I wonder whether this is just AS evolving over time?
The thing is, what the subject line references is this weird sensation I get just before I fall asleep... I merely get glimpses, but flashes of my former fantasies could still be seen - hypnagogia is known to conjure up some things, but does this mean I was in such a perpetual state when I could fantasize while awake? This, by the way, is best typified in Satie's Gnossienne: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLFVGwGQcB0 - which I did actually first hear just before waking up one day.
And then, of course... dreams themselves. How much do they borrow from our active imagination, and how much is it simply subconscious symbolism? How is it that we end up with boners due to some amazing sexual dream, but need to look up external material in our waking lives? (Yeah, *you* know what I mean.
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Here's hoping someone could conjure up some theories about this now, and hopefully this topic won't be merely read and ignored or only replied to by one person - *any* theories are appreciated!
As a young teen I've actually relished this capability of mine to just fantasize... mostly it was fuelled from video game storylines, but I felt I could create a sufficiently fantastic narration whenever I wanted, and I liked it so much that I once told someone fantasy was my best ability (not that I wasn't good at anything else but daydreaming... it's just indicative of its importance).
Now, all of that seems to have been childhood grandiosity and I've been rotting for the past half a decade. I can't even fully immerse myself in an external (artistic) fantasy, let alone create any of my own anymore... it's quite a contrast. Sometimes I wonder whether this is just AS evolving over time?
The thing is, what the subject line references is this weird sensation I get just before I fall asleep... I merely get glimpses, but flashes of my former fantasies could still be seen - hypnagogia is known to conjure up some things, but does this mean I was in such a perpetual state when I could fantasize while awake? This, by the way, is best typified in Satie's Gnossienne: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLFVGwGQcB0 - which I did actually first hear just before waking up one day.
And then, of course... dreams themselves. How much do they borrow from our active imagination, and how much is it simply subconscious symbolism? How is it that we end up with boners due to some amazing sexual dream, but need to look up external material in our waking lives? (Yeah, *you* know what I mean.
Here's hoping someone could conjure up some theories about this now, and hopefully this topic won't be merely read and ignored or only replied to by one person - *any* theories are appreciated!
Not sure I can offer satisfactory help here, but it is an interesting post. By the way, I am very much into the music of Satie.
I will just add some thoughts I had while reading your post on dreams.
On dreams---I believe in many cases they come from active imagination. I have been able to control what I dream---to an extent. For example, I wanted to dream about a cave. I dreamed about a long cave like passage in a building last Friday night. Though it was not a cave in the general sense of the term, it was similar to a cave. It was odd because it started with a slight drop-off out of a doorway into a blue square tunnel. Immediately to the right was a blue glass, and to the left the blue passage started downward at a steep incline. At the bottom was a passage that ran perpendicular to the descending passageway. I was afraid to go down there because of the thought of creatures living down there. I started down and found a door which I opened which revealed a staircase back to where I started. Ok, so I caused myself to dream this by wanting to dream about a cave. But, could there be symbolism here too? Perhaps. I think it related to my job. I feel trapped at my job right now. I can't imagine going in to work on many days because of the stress. The things causing me stress are hard for me to face---like the unseen creatures in my dream. And in the dream I did open a door, but wound up where I started---like my job. No matter what I do, I still end up where I was before, stressed. And what of the blue glass. Could it be hope on the other side---a pathway away from the creatures/stress...a place where I didn't sense there being creatures? Could the glass be the hope of another career?
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I have been going through similar things over the past few months, in regards to imagination. It felt like my mind was stagnating, like I was missing something in my life. I was absolutely miserable. Then I came across this article: (click). The basic gist of it is, people in the modern world are miserable because we're isolating ourselves with technology. We're not developing meaningful relationships with people in the real world. We get annoyed with people who are different from us because we surround ourselves with like-minded people and "yes people", so we never get to build up a tolerance to criticism or irritation. As a generation, we are a fragile and lonely people.
Here's where I think this ties into imagination:
When I was a child and teenager up until the age of 19, my imagination was so vivid and full of life. Every day was a party in my mind and I was never unhappy with the way I had built my world nor the characters who inhabited it. Contrast that with the way that I am today: my fantasies are only jumpstarted by music and/or exercise, and I am absolutely stumped as to which direction I should take the stories in and which characters I want to use, and every time I try to make a decision, I am unhappy with it.
So what has changed between now and before I was 19? At 16, I dropped out of high school. When I was in school, I was forced to have real interactions with real people, and though it was usually more bitter than sweet, the lesser amount of time I spent in my imaginary world caused me to appreciate it more. It's sort of the same principal as getting to hear a song on the radio vs. always getting to hear it on Youtube. Which in turn boils down to one thing: everything in life requires balance. Yes, it is true that the real world is a cruel and often depressing place, so spending too much time in it isn't nearly as fun as getting lost in a daydream world. But spending too much time in the daydream world can cause the imagination to stagnate. All things in moderation.
My solution is to do some volunteer work. You aren't required to go there all the time like a paying job, but it will be enough to stimulate the mind and senses. Plus, you will be helping people, which is always a natural mood-booster.
And don't think I am just preaching without practicing: I absolutely plan on going out and doing some volunteer work myself, because I would love nothing more to regain the appreciation I have lost for my poor imaginary world and its inhabitants. I sincerely hopes this works, for both myself and yourself (should you choose to take my advice).
Oh, and as for dreams? I believe they are symbolic and I like to look up their meanings on this website (click)
I hope you found what I have to say to be useful. I know that I started feeling a lot better about my own situation after I came to this revelation.
(Well, I'd volunteer IRL if only such a job isn't as difficult to get as a real one! WTF. Society is screwed. I'm not going to bend over backwards to not even likely do things I enjoy. I already technically volunteer online... but, yeah, online is sort of part of one's mind, I suppose.)
...other than that, these were some of my earliest thoughts too after I noticed the dimming of the imagination. Generally, after secondary school, don't you think society makes it difficult for people to... form a society? (I mean, sure, not if one 'knows' people, so they'd get a job off them which they'd inadequately perform at until it's simply another factor that cripples the economy, but I digress.)
A thought I had just now, though: how do the Japanese manage to have such imagination (video games...) when they're also known to be introverted?
As a young teen I've actually relished this capability of mine to just fantasize... mostly it was fuelled from video game storylines, but I felt I could create a sufficiently fantastic narration whenever I wanted, and I liked it so much that I once told someone fantasy was my best ability (not that I wasn't good at anything else but daydreaming... it's just indicative of its importance).
Now, all of that seems to have been childhood grandiosity and I've been rotting for the past half a decade. I can't even fully immerse myself in an external (artistic) fantasy, let alone create any of my own anymore... it's quite a contrast. Sometimes I wonder whether this is just AS evolving over time?!
The answer is simple: you grew up. As you got older, your childhood skill is building fantasy worlds was lost.
Same thing happened to me when I was a kid, starting about age 6. When I was little, I was building amazing fantasy worlds in my mind, with great detail, ranging from the layout of city streets to patterns on lampshades. I also made up incredible stories, that were richer and more enjoyable than my real life ever was. Sadly, I had no one to share them with; my parents brushed me off when told them about my fantasy worlds, and I already knew better than to talk about them with friends or at school. So, I resigned myself to daydreaming about it for hours on end, and occasionally, talking about the worlds to non-immediate family members, who were more willing to listen. I really loved my imaginary worlds, and wished really hard that I could live there. But unlike kids' TV shows would like you to believe (Barney & Friends being the most notable example), wishing really hard will not make something happen.
As I hit my teens, my imaginary worlds took a darn turn. By then, I started to imagine them as what heaven and hell are like, also in great detail. (Mind you, I've been non-religious for most of my life, save for a stint with Judaism in my early to mid 20's.) They also took on a raunchy vibe, containing things like legal prostitution and anti-depressants sold in candy shops. In light of that, I discussed the imaginary worlds with absolutely no one, except a therapist was seeing at the time. She didn't comment on them either way; just listened to me spew out the descriptions.
By my 20's, very little ability to dream up worlds remained. Anything I still came up with was very vague and abstract, like "a place where I can just be happy". Now, when I'm pushing 30, I've pretty much forgotten anything I remember making up when I was younger. All I still remember are fragmented bits and pieces like "a children's safe haven the size of a few city blocks where grown-ups are forbidden to enter" from when I was 10, and "free Xanax dispensers mounted on lampposts at all major intersections" from when I was 16. Give it a few more years, and those will be forgotten too.
Like I said in the first line, it's nothing bad. Your brain is simply changing the way it operated as you're getting older. It's natural, and unfortunately, there's nothing you can do. Like NTs like to say nowadays, "it is what it is".
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Here's where I think this ties into imagination:
When I was a child and teenager up until the age of 19, my imagination was so vivid and full of life. Every day was a party in my mind and I was never unhappy with the way I had built my world nor the characters who inhabited it. Contrast that with the way that I am today: my fantasies are only jumpstarted by music and/or exercise, and I am absolutely stumped as to which direction I should take the stories in and which characters I want to use, and every time I try to make a decision, I am unhappy with it.
So what has changed between now and before I was 19? At 16, I dropped out of high school. When I was in school, I was forced to have real interactions with real people, and though it was usually more bitter than sweet, the lesser amount of time I spent in my imaginary world caused me to appreciate it more. It's sort of the same principal as getting to hear a song on the radio vs. always getting to hear it on Youtube. Which in turn boils down to one thing: everything in life requires balance. Yes, it is true that the real world is a cruel and often depressing place, so spending too much time in it isn't nearly as fun as getting lost in a daydream world. But spending too much time in the daydream world can cause the imagination to stagnate. All things in moderation.
My solution is to do some volunteer work. You aren't required to go there all the time like a paying job, but it will be enough to stimulate the mind and senses. Plus, you will be helping people, which is always a natural mood-booster.
And don't think I am just preaching without practicing: I absolutely plan on going out and doing some volunteer work myself, because I would love nothing more to regain the appreciation I have lost for my poor imaginary world and its inhabitants. I sincerely hopes this works, for both myself and yourself (should you choose to take my advice).
Oh, and as for dreams? I believe they are symbolic and I like to look up their meanings on this website (click)
I hope you found what I have to say to be useful. I know that I started feeling a lot better about my own situation after I came to this revelation.
I agree.....I think volunteer work is a really good idea. I'm planning to do this as well.......
Mootoo, where would imagination go?
Think of your dream, enter it awake and see what happens. Put some Satie on, call him and see what happens. Shut the unnecessary lights and make shadows on the walls and see what happens.
You are looking for a door, when you only need a key. And for that key to turn the key is hidden in the key.
Aspie1, even though you think it's just growing up, you don't sense anything negative... do you still enjoy what life remains? (Because, yes, it seemed to me that this kind of imaginative capability could be equated with life itself - the more is lost the more life ebbs away to me it seems. Of course, if you have friends and a career you enjoy I suppose you could do away with the imagination... but, as I don't, it seems all I'm left with is negativity. Before I consistently had positive feelings while playing video games e.g. - now I don't. At best I don't feel anxious constantly thinking about the fact I don't talk to anyone for five days a week, but it's a huge contrast to my enjoyment as a young teen).
And... it can't be completely inaccessible because (besides the mere glimpses in my sleep) I found that hallucinogens seem to play with this kind of imaginative capability. The problem, of course, is consistency... i.e. would I need to smoke cannabis every time I play a video game, in order to get the same feelings as I did by default as a child?
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, yes... lucid dreaming, you mean. I need to invest more time in learning about it. "And for that key to turn the key is hidden in the key" sounds like Alice in Wonderland, though.
