Is Being Uber Rational a symptom of AS ?.

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11 Oct 2012, 1:24 pm

Hi,

I'm 51 yrs old and recently come to the realisation I have AS. I'm uber rational, it forms the bedrock on which my view of the world is built. Regardless of the topic, (religion, economics, drugs, abortion, the death penalty) it is thought about and rationalised, emotions and morals/beliefs don't come into it. Is this a symptom of my AS or just a personality trait ?.

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11 Oct 2012, 1:37 pm

I think it's a personality trait because there are even NTs out there who act rational. I have seen aspies get heated over topics like in religion or politics.


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11 Oct 2012, 1:43 pm

Hi GetBusy,

Welcome! I'm new here too.

I'm not sure I'm the best person to provide a perspective, but I thought your post was interesting. My thoughts:

I'm here because I have recently realized both of my parents may have AS. (not sure if I do) I was on the phone with my mother today talking about a choice to make and I said to her "Do you understand that I feel emotionally torn about this decision?"

She replied. "No. I don't put emotions into any decision that I make- I logically assess my priorities and choose accordingly." This surprised me because I always make choices at least partially based on emotion.

I share this with you because it does fit with what you said about looking at things "uber-rationally." Whether or not it's part of AS, I would think that in some situations it's quite beneficial to be that objective.

Is your rational-decision making the only reason you think you have AS, or are there other reasons? I look forward to hearing your thoughts as well as others' opinions on this.



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11 Oct 2012, 1:44 pm

I think that it is a personality trait. Some NTs have this trait strongly. So do some autistic people.



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11 Oct 2012, 2:50 pm

I'm the complete opposite to one of my brothers in this regard. He is all emotion when it comes to the topics the OP mentioned. He finds it near difficult to deep with 'heavy' situations because he can't separate his emotions from what needs to be done. I'm as cut and dry as they come.



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11 Oct 2012, 2:56 pm

GetBusy wrote:
Is Being Uber Rational a symptom of AS?

If rationality and AS were consistently co-morbid, then this website would not have any need for The Haven or any forum like it.


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11 Oct 2012, 3:02 pm

It may well be both in your case: a personality trait that's being augmented by your AS.

From what I've seen here on the forum, and what I can tell you about myself, it appears that many people on the autistic spectrum do prefer a more rational angle when approaching a situation or a discussion. In my case, it's because rationalising things makes things less complicated, and easier to grasp. Not that I need to simplify things, mind you, but rather to get rid of all the white noise and static and get to the bare bones of anything I might be dealing with.

I am not certain how rationally-inclined I'd be had it not been for my autism. I've been mindful of not leaning toward the rational TOO far in recent years, because I acknowledged that I could go overboard with it in the past. So, maybe I'm not that much of a fan of being über-rational anymore, at least not like I used to be.


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11 Oct 2012, 3:05 pm

Fnord wrote:
GetBusy wrote:
Is Being Uber Rational a symptom of AS?

If rationality and AS were consistently co-morbid, then this website would not have any need for The Haven or any forum like it.


Not sure what "co-morbid" means, try and look it up or google it. Similarly not sure what the "haven" is and its purpose. (Sorry new here)



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11 Oct 2012, 3:15 pm

GetBusy wrote:

Not sure what "co-morbid" means, try and look it up or google it. Similarly not sure what the "haven" is and its purpose. (Sorry new here)


The Haven is the subforum of Wrong Planet where we go when we feel we can't take it anymore, and need a listening ear, or advice. It can be found here: http://www.wrongplanet.net/forum23.html

Comorbidity refers to two (or more) different psychological disorders (or mindsets in this case, I guess) coexisting in one mind, or the possiblity of such coexistence. For example when someone has both mental retardation and epilepsy, it indicates that the conditions are comorbid. There are also disorders that cannot occur together.


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11 Oct 2012, 3:17 pm

GetBusy wrote:
Fnord wrote:
GetBusy wrote:
Is Being Uber Rational a symptom of AS?

If rationality and AS were consistently co-morbid, then this website would not have any need for The Haven or any forum like it.


Not sure what "co-morbid" means, try and look it up or google it. Similarly not sure what the "haven" is and its purpose. (Sorry new here)


Co-morbid is a term for when two things are present. For example; if a person has AS and depression, you would say the depression is co-morbid with the Aspergers.

The Haven is a forum highlighting the dark side of Aspergers. It's full of sad, depressing posts, mixed in with the occasional suicide threat from people who can't form relationships, get bullied, can't hold down jobs, have bad families, have no friends, etc.



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11 Oct 2012, 3:19 pm

To answer your original post, yes, males with Asperger's do tend to be me rational and logical than the average NT.

(Yes, some NTs are rational, some AS are emotional, etc., etc., ad nauseam)

Now, this isn't to say you don't have emotions or that emotions don't factor in to your decision making. When you make the logical decision to buy ice cream on a hot day you use your emotion to determine what flavor you're "in the mood for," so it's not either-or.

I think the problem comes in because NTs give more preference to their emotions as opposed to rationale. Because of this, NTs often feel completely justified in their mistreatment of others because they "feel" it's the right thing to do. Rather than examine the situation, they often go on their gut instinct. Almost like "shoot first, ask questions later." Other NTs seem to applaud or even accept such emotional behavior from others, no matter how illogical or destructive, probably because they know they'd behave them same way themselves.



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11 Oct 2012, 3:24 pm

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Hi GetBusy,

Welcome! I'm new here too.

I'm not sure I'm the best person to provide a perspective, but I thought your post was interesting. My thoughts:

I'm here because I have recently realised both of my parents may have AS. (not sure if I do) I was on the phone with my mother today talking about a choice to make and I said to her "Do you understand that I feel emotionally torn about this decision?"

She replied. "No. I don't put emotions into any decision that I make- I logically assess my priorities and choose accordingly." This surprised me because I always make choices at least partially based on emotion.

I share this with you because it does fit with what you said about looking at things "uber-rationally." Whether or not it's part of AS, I would think that in some situations it's quite beneficial to be that objective.

Is your rational-decision making the only reason you think you have AS, or are there other reasons? I look forward to hearing your thoughts as well as others' opinions on this.


To answer your question, It is not the reason I think I have AS. These reasons revolve more around my lack of social/communication skills and my feelings of wrongness/strangeness that I have had all my life.
The problem for me is that although AS has provided a rational explanation for all the issues that I have faced in my life (seriously, I'm more relaxed and at peace than at any other time of my life.) at 51 yrs old
sorting out which parts of my behaviour are down to AS, which are just my personality and which are defence mechanisms that I have subconsciously adopted in order to function is taking some sorting out.
Do I want friends and to be more social ?.
Do I tell people or not ?.
Do I attempt to soften my approach and become less confrontational (blunt). (seriously, I can seemly upset people just by being in the same room and totally unintentionally)

The original question was just my way of coming to an understanding about myself.



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11 Oct 2012, 3:28 pm

again_with_this wrote:
To answer your original post, yes, males with Asperger's do tend to be me rational and logical than the average NT.


Why males? The gals here on Wrong Planet and at the local monthly autism circle I attend, seem to be pretty rational folk.

Well, regardless of sex, you'll have to admit the whole stimming thing is pretty irrational stuff. I mean, come on, what's all that about? Hand-flapping? Rocking? Going through a ten-minute ritual before you can make a phone call? That must look silly in the eyes of the average normie.


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11 Oct 2012, 3:29 pm

GetBusy wrote:
Do I attempt to soften my approach and become less confrontational (blunt). (seriously, I can seemly upset people just by being in the same room and totally unintentionally)


This is a good example of emotion vs. logic. Bluntness, in and of itself, is not actually confrontational, especially if you're intentions are non-confrontational with your bluntness. However, many people "feel" such bluntness is a personal attack. And they "feel" such an attack, that hurts their feelings, warrants aggression. Many will get defensive, shout, even throw a punch all over a misunderstanding.

While you question whether or not you should turn down your bluntness at the risk of others misunderstanding, do the others ever logically question what your true intention was, why they have no right to be so upset, why their personal feelings don't warrant aggression? The answer is no, they don't think in those terms.



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11 Oct 2012, 3:30 pm

CyclopsSummers wrote:
Why males? The gals here on Wrong Planet and at the local monthly autism circle I attend, seem to be pretty rational folk.


Generally speaking, the males with AS are more rational, collectively. The AS women may be more rational that NT women, but are more emotional than AS men.

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11 Oct 2012, 3:41 pm

I think all aspies are "researchers". And that usually involves rationality.
Everybody here I'd think is researching on him/herself. And about other stuff here and there.

I don't know what you all would include into rationality,
but I would be tempted to say that rationality is a common aspie trait.

If everything goes actually rational is a second question.
However, I think that everybody here tries to be rational.

or logical, understandable, consistent.

what do you guys think?