What is the difference between NT introvert and an aspie?
Oh ya. I get that. Sometimes I really want to be with people. But then maybe I am too picky or people do not get me. I get bored too easily. I meet a couple of times with a person before I place them in appropriate categories in my brain.
Tell me about constant analysing! I do that later too. Sometimes I Feel if i put in so much effort into my work I would get much better results.
But women with aspergers are supposed to be better at learning social protocols (I like to call them protocols and ask people around me in case I have doubts about how to respond), no? . I have always observed others and tried to pick a way of behavior in a particular situation and so on.
I always thought everyone learns by observing others. But I am not sure if the same amount of thought process which goes on in my head goes on in NTs as well.
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Introverted NTs can understand non-verbal communication; aspies can't. Then, aspies will very probably have motor coordination problems, while introverted NTs may not have these problem. Also, most aspies understand things literally (I do this myself), while introversed NTs (usually) don't do this. Then, there are a lot of other differences between an introverted NT and an aspie, but these ones are the ones I think that are the most important.
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There are a few papers suggesting that introversion is a milder/non-clinical form of Autism:
INTROVERSION AND AUTISM: A CONCEPTUAL EXPLORATION OF THE PLACEMENT OF INTROVERSION ON THE AUTISM SPECTRUM
http://etd.fcla.edu/CF/CFE0003090/Grime ... 005_MA.pdf
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I don't think being an aspie makes you an introvert necesarily. I would asume and NT introvert is someone who is wrapped up in themselves and doesn't feel the need for lots of socialising or friends all the time.
Some aspies are social, but just lack the skills to be good at it.
INTROVERSION AND AUTISM: A CONCEPTUAL EXPLORATION OF THE PLACEMENT OF INTROVERSION ON THE AUTISM SPECTRUM
http://etd.fcla.edu/CF/CFE0003090/Grime ... 005_MA.pdf
The thesis looks interesting. Will look into it. Thanks!
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Aspie Quiz: Aspie :130/200;NT score: 72/200;You are very likely an Aspie. Alexithymia test :135
The DSM-IV-TR puts it as (difference between normal personality and AS):
An introverted NT would still be NT; able to read body language, unlikely to have obsessions, would likely get subtlety.
An NT introvert is simply a person who shares my love for quiet and solitude.
You shouldn't generalise. I'm a female who definitely got the 'boy' version of AS.
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My cousin-removed-once (Chris' daughter) is a gifted introvert, or at least, I think she's gifted. She's at least very good in school (had multiple honor/IB/AP classes throughout high school, etc.). She does have some autistic traits (hand waving rapidly when she's happy, for example, and being socially awkward), but that can be easily explained by the fact that she's gifted. She gets sarcasm, makes eye contact appropriately, and pretty much acts like an NT 95% of the time.
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From what I understood about the MBTI and introversion/extroversion, it is to do with one's energy. That is, where one directs their energy and where they receive it from.
An extrovert directs and receives their energy from external sources.
An introvert directs and receives their energy from internal sources.
If an extrovert is left on their own too long, their energy will get drained and they will need to be stimulated from external sources again.
If an introvert is stimulated from external sources too long, they will need to retreat inwards to recharge their energy again.
An Aspie can be either an introvert or an extrovert, though from what I gather they are more likely to be an introvert.
The other letters of the MBTI (iNtuition vs Sensing, and Thinking vs Feeling) are to do with how one perceives their World (iNtuitives are more focussed on the big picture and think more about the past and the future, patterns, etc, in more abstract ways, whereas a Sensing person is more a details person and lives in the here and now, affected by their five senses more so) and how one makes decisions (Thinking people are more objective thinkers and make their decisions based on facts) and Feeling people are more subjective thinkers and make their decisions based more on their values and beliefs, etc).
The fourth letter (Judging or Perceiving) is a lot more complex and was added by Isobel Myers to Jung's original concept and is basically to do with our preferences and whether we direct each preference externally or internally.
If a person has a Judging preference, for example, they are an INTJ, then their primary preference is to introvert thinking, with an auxillary preference to extrovert intuition. That is, they make their decisions in a thinking style as their main style (hidden from the World, introverted), and this is backed up by extroverting their intuition to others (visible). Someone who is an INTP, however, will primarily introvert their intuition and extrovert their thinking. Someone who is an ENTP will extrovert their intuition primarily, backed up by introverting their thinking.
I *think* I got that right, my knowledge is a bit rusty.
An NT introvert is simply a person who shares my love for quiet and solitude.
It's really that simple.
From reading "introvert" forums some feel chronically embarrassed when in social situations, and have to intellectualize the 'cues'. I do wonder if these folks( introverts) share a broader range of autistic traits than say moving up to ambiverts and through to extroverts on this emotional spectrum. Is it coincidental that most on the spectrum are introverts?
I find this all very confusing and it makes me doubt again whether I am perhaps "just" an introvert... although I did receive a provisional diagnosis of being on the spectrum last week... I am capable of making eye contact (at least I think I am), I do not stim that much, and I do know when to shut it in social situations, or when to speak up. That being said, I do realize I've spent the last ten years learning about social activities, maybe I've just become an expert at it. I don't know... at this stage, I find it so very hard to know who "I" am, where my compensating stops or starts and where the real me is hidden.
I can see why some consider introversion as a mild form of autism; as my friend (a psychiatric nurse) said: "ten years ago, you would have just been labeled introverted". What makes it different for me, it that it is disabling: I suffer from sensory overload a great deal, I find it hard to comply with the great variety of demands at work and to manage the "human capital" there, I am an outright verbal thinker with an uneven IQ profile, I fail at most relationships. And I'm obsessive over special interests - currently finding out whether I am really on the spectrum or not - to the extent where I forget everything else.
I just hope, as times goes by and all this "knowledge" sinks in, that I will discover who is lurking under the mask of compensation.
I can see why some consider introversion as a mild form of autism; as my friend (a psychiatric nurse) said: "ten years ago, you would have just been labeled introverted". What makes it different for me, it that it is disabling: I suffer from sensory overload a great deal, I find it hard to comply with the great variety of demands at work and to manage the "human capital" there, I am an outright verbal thinker with an uneven IQ profile, I fail at most relationships. And I'm obsessive over special interests - currently finding out whether I am really on the spectrum or not - to the extent where I forget everything else.
I just hope, as times goes by and all this "knowledge" sinks in, that I will discover who is lurking under the mask of compensation.
I have been obsessing over aspergers syndrome for the past few weeks and I do not have the time to spend with a professional to get a diagnosis now. I have been reading a lot and I am having the exact same confusions as you are and that is why i started this topic. Sometimes I feel that I am finding things about me to fit into ASQ which seems to explain a lot about why I am like this. I know I make eye contact but I am conscious of it. Also I remember vividly that I started making eye contact after reading that it is the way to look while talking to people. I still am conscious about my hands when I am talking to someone.
I have always had tics. (I read all about tics before concluding I did have them). But my parents always used to point out that I am doing something repetitively and I have new ones at various points of life. I also bite my nails (dunno if this qualifies) and have never been able to stop.
I have also been thinking (among various stuff which i cover in my neurosis) if I am digging up reasons to tell myself that I am on the spectrum because I spend time on this forum. But a lot of times, I have read what has gone through my head in this forum. So I identify myself with this place..
Ok I am done ranting/typing all of what I wanted to say and I do not know how to end this coherently.
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interesting subject--sometimes i feel we are barely beginning to ask the right questions about it.
i have observed INTJs will enjoy the company of other INTJs, maybe become raucous, & even if competitive (like a roomful of chessplayers) share a feeling of camaraderie that i have difficulty discovering in myself.
i don't seek out other aspies (though i'm not in theory opposed to the idea), & if i meet another i may not even acknowledge it (without being unsympathetic). there would have to be a reason to interact, something i wanted to share or gain. not just for the sake of concentrating a rare quality. --on the plus side, it is very pleasant for two of us to be able to share silence. i think that is a pleasure neurotypicals will never experience without anxiety.
i imagine it is rather easier for the neurotyp INTJ to gain a hearing from other types, to be accepted or even acknowledged as being more correct. something about autism antagonizes the others & makes them want to resist, even in the face of reason &/or circumstance. it affects your whole outlook whether you're used to be listened to, or accustomed to misunderstanding. the rest--almost doesn't matter.
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You shouldn't generalise. I'm a female who definitely got the 'boy' version of AS.
Same for me. I am a girl have the "boy" version of AS, too. Not every female with AS fits this stereotype.
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You shouldn't generalise. I'm a female who definitely got the 'boy' version of AS.
Same for me. I am a girl have the "boy" version of AS, too. Not every female with AS fits this stereotype.
That is true! I am an older Aspie female. I have found that while I am getting good at learning social protocols, it has taken me many years of watching movies and having NT interpreters. By no means does understanding social protocols come naturally, however. Sometimes I can gauge what a facial expression might mean, but just as often I can still get it wrong!
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i'm wondering the differences between aspergers and being an introvert as well.
i've had roommates and coworkers suggest i have asperger's but never bothered checking out what it is until now. i always felt insulted when someone would say it. it felt like a way of dismissing something i was good at as being a result of a disorder instead of hard work. i dont think im explaining that right but maybe you get what i mean. anyway reading up on aspergers it does seem like how my brain seems to work but so does intj. (i checked out that intjforum linked but can't relate to it like i have been reading WP)
maybe more people can say differences they've found or learned about between aspergers and introversion?
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