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08 Nov 2012, 5:27 pm

Currently, I'm often bringing myself to the brink of disgust by thinking of (and imagining) other humans as nothing but hairless apes... which makes me think how ugly humans are. Not sure if this is symbolic of my psychological distancing from others of my species (through an extended period of - yes, my avatar), but I'm having all sorts of weird thoughts ever since my imagination seems to have changed.

Could this be the result of an evolution of hatred, perhaps? Hate leads to disgust? Sometimes I feel like I'm becoming hate personified...



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08 Nov 2012, 5:34 pm

I have had episodes like that. I guess that's just the "wrong planet"-feeling - that we're somehow a different subspecies. I have quite some hate for certain examples of humanity myself, but I try not to act on it.



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08 Nov 2012, 5:38 pm

With you on that Mootoo. I find most people highly unlikeable, boring, and irritating. That is not to say I am none of those things but that is just how I view others.


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08 Nov 2012, 8:03 pm

Humans are somewhat hairless apes. I like to think about what people are underneath all the annoying sides, underneath their character, the lovable factor that is in all of us (if there is anything about humans you like, maybe it is something that most people have, but they just can't show it). All of the things I hate, are just variants of some sort of layers above their true character. In many cases this can actually be proven/demonstrated with success.

The second question is very psychological 8O



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08 Nov 2012, 8:11 pm

Humans are great apes, and they have less body hair than any other species of ape. This is true of autistic humans as well as neurotypical humans.



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08 Nov 2012, 8:32 pm

madnak wrote:
Humans are great apes, and they have less body hair than any other species of ape. This is true of autistic humans as well as neurotypical humans.

We're not great apes, we are hominids. The hominid line diverged from the apes over 6 million years ago. The first hominids were exactly like apes except they were bi-pedal.
Those early hominids were probably as lovable as the great apes. They had as much body hair as apes too, didn't start loosing it until around 3 million years ago.



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08 Nov 2012, 9:09 pm

Marybird wrote:
madnak wrote:
Humans are great apes, and they have less body hair than any other species of ape. This is true of autistic humans as well as neurotypical humans.

We're not great apes, we are hominids. The hominid line diverged from the apes over 6 million years ago. The first hominids were exactly like apes except they were bi-pedal.
Those early hominids were probably as lovable as the great apes. They had as much body hair as apes too, didn't start loosing it until around 3 million years ago.

The two terms are synonymous.
The term "great apes" refers to the family Hominidae... and is a term inclusive of ourselves, rather than exclusive.
We are also catarrhines. That would be the group inclusive of all great apes (including ourselves) AND old-world monkeys.
Naturally we're also primates, and that by definition makes us part of the superorder Archonta (along with Chiroptera, Dermoptera, Scandentia and the extinct Plesiodapiformes).
I could go on like this all day.

In truth I'm just taking a particularly self-aggrandising way of saying "you're not correcting correctly". And if I was dealing with a mundie, I'd add the usual pejorative term at the end to drive home the point.

See also:
Bipedal doesn't require a hyphen, and "losing" only has one "o".

Now please reference this image for maximum patronisation:
http://sighroll.com/wp-content/uploads/ ... ouknow.jpg





Mootoo wrote:
Currently, I'm often bringing myself to the brink of disgust by thinking of (and imagining) other humans as nothing but hairless apes... which makes me think how ugly humans are. Not sure if this is symbolic of my psychological distancing from others of my species (through an extended period of - yes, my avatar), but I'm having all sorts of weird thoughts ever since my imagination seems to have changed.

Could this be the result of an evolution of hatred, perhaps? Hate leads to disgust? Sometimes I feel like I'm becoming hate personified...

Doing my utmost to avoid either sarcastic responses (toward yourself, at least) or pop-culture references... I would like you inform you that it is a perfectly viable life-choice to hate all meatbags with every molecule of your being... including us, if the need arises.
The key point here is that they've done all they need to do to deserve that ire... thus it is fully warranted.



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08 Nov 2012, 9:27 pm

Mootoo wrote:
Currently, I'm often bringing myself to the brink of disgust by thinking of (and imagining) other humans as nothing but hairless apes... which makes me think how ugly humans are. Not sure if this is symbolic of my psychological distancing from others of my species (through an extended period of - yes, my avatar), but I'm having all sorts of weird thoughts ever since my imagination seems to have changed.

Could this be the result of an evolution of hatred, perhaps? Hate leads to disgust? Sometimes I feel like I'm becoming hate personified...



Humans are a kind of freak of nature. We are destroying the planet. We are like cancer of the earth. We are so over-populated that we have become fiercely competitive.

The fear that there is not enough to go around is what fuels wars, hatred, and angry political debates.



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08 Nov 2012, 9:40 pm

@ Magnanimous:
What is a mundie?



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08 Nov 2012, 11:42 pm

Yes, I feel that way too very often. I feel as if I am some mature, pragmatic creature that doesn't really belong with any group of people. Even around my closest friends I am bored. Other people seem like some foreign species to me that I can't research in a field guide.



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09 Nov 2012, 4:04 am

I loved that bit in the Matrix, where Agent Smith explains to Morpheus about the human race. He compares us to a virus, that moves to an area, and multiplies until all the resources are gone.

How do you deal with it all though - how do you comfort yourself with going outside, knowing that you are going to run into people that are just not logical, live in a world made of lies, that fake everything about themselves purely for breeding purposes, knowing that THEY look DOWN on YOU because you dont think the same way?



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09 Nov 2012, 11:38 am

I hate humans too, mostly for their arrogance, then for their indifference and ignorance. However, I don't believe in free will anymore, therefore, I should understand the human behaviour as a result of our biologically driven instincts, and not as something deliberately chosen. I don't believe we are a product of our worthiness, neither the result of our bad choices, it is just nature playing dice with us. Sorry but this is how I see it. In spite of that, I still can't reconcile with the fact that we are destroying our planet and still have no definite rules to live peacefully with one another and to respect others personal space.


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09 Nov 2012, 1:49 pm

Entek wrote:
I loved that bit in the Matrix, where Agent Smith explains to Morpheus about the human race. He compares us to a virus, that moves to an area, and multiplies until all the resources are gone.

How do you deal with it all though - how do you comfort yourself with going outside, knowing that you are going to run into people that are just not logical, live in a world made of lies, that fake everything about themselves purely for breeding purposes, knowing that THEY look DOWN on YOU because you dont think the same way?

+1!


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09 Nov 2012, 2:09 pm

Magnanimous wrote:
Marybird wrote:
madnak wrote:
Humans are great apes, and they have less body hair than any other species of ape. This is true of autistic humans as well as neurotypical humans.

We're not great apes, we are hominids. The hominid line diverged from the apes over 6 million years ago. The first hominids were exactly like apes except they were bi-pedal.
Those early hominids were probably as lovable as the great apes. They had as much body hair as apes too, didn't start loosing it until around 3 million years ago.

The two terms are synonymous.
The term "great apes" refers to the family Hominidae... and is a term inclusive of ourselves, rather than exclusive.
We are also catarrhines. That would be the group inclusive of all great apes (including ourselves) AND old-world monkeys.
Naturally we're also primates, and that by definition makes us part of the superorder Archonta (along with Chiroptera, Dermoptera, Scandentia and the extinct Plesiodapiformes).
I could go on like this all day.

In truth I'm just taking a particularly self-aggrandising way of saying "you're not correcting correctly". And if I was dealing with a mundie, I'd add the usual pejorative term at the end to drive home the point.

See also:
Bipedal doesn't require a hyphen, and "losing" only has one "o".

Now please reference this image for maximum patronisation:
http://sighroll.com/wp-content/uploads/ ... ouknow.jpg

OK then. I would rather be an ape. I like apes.



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09 Nov 2012, 3:48 pm

I am quite comfortably not human. It doesn't make me feel less or more than other beings. It just makes sense to me and it is quite a relief to say so. I think it is quite anthropocentric to think that the greatest thing is to be human. And I am not thinking in terms of 'dehumanization', such as in the cases of cruelty that humankind can inflict on each other, there is no 'de-' in what I believe 'isn't' to begin with. I am just peaceably and contentedly identifying myself. That's all.



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09 Nov 2012, 5:19 pm

Magnanimous wrote:
Marybird wrote:
madnak wrote:
Humans are great apes, and they have less body hair than any other species of ape. This is true of autistic humans as well as neurotypical humans.

We're not great apes, we are hominids. The hominid line diverged from the apes over 6 million years ago. The first hominids were exactly like apes except they were bi-pedal.
Those early hominids were probably as lovable as the great apes. They had as much body hair as apes too, didn't start loosing it until around 3 million years ago.

The two terms are synonymous.
The term "great apes" refers to the family Hominidae... and is a term inclusive of ourselves, rather than exclusive.
We are also catarrhines. That would be the group inclusive of all great apes (including ourselves) AND old-world monkeys.
Naturally we're also primates, and that by definition makes us part of the superorder Archonta (along with Chiroptera, Dermoptera, Scandentia and the extinct Plesiodapiformes).
I could go on like this all day.

In truth I'm just taking a particularly self-aggrandising way of saying "you're not correcting correctly". And if I was dealing with a mundie, I'd add the usual pejorative term at the end to drive home the point.

See also:
Bipedal doesn't require a hyphen, and "losing" only has one "o".

Now please reference this image for maximum patronisation:
http://sighroll.com/wp-content/uploads/ ... ouknow.jpg





Mootoo wrote:
Currently, I'm often bringing myself to the brink of disgust by thinking of (and imagining) other humans as nothing but hairless apes... which makes me think how ugly humans are. Not sure if this is symbolic of my psychological distancing from others of my species (through an extended period of - yes, my avatar), but I'm having all sorts of weird thoughts ever since my imagination seems to have changed.

Could this be the result of an evolution of hatred, perhaps? Hate leads to disgust? Sometimes I feel like I'm becoming hate personified...

Doing my utmost to avoid either sarcastic responses (toward yourself, at least) or pop-culture references... I would like you inform you that it is a perfectly viable life-choice to hate all meatbags with every molecule of your being... including us, if the need arises.
The key point here is that they've done all they need to do to deserve that ire... thus it is fully warranted.


Yankies do spell the word 'loosing' for some reason instead of 'losing' fyi. :)