Has anybody gotten in trouble for pointing out the truth.

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RyanGPenner
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12 Nov 2012, 1:19 pm

I'm wondering if anyone else has had anyone get mad at them for pointing out something that was fundamentally true, but for some ungodly reason thought to better be ignored by people en masse, with Rememberance Day just having past I'm reminded of an extremely unpopular observation I made a few years back about how the omnipresent poem In Flanders Fields is actually encouraging the perpetuation of war by saying things like "take up our quarrel with the foe". Anyway, has anyone else had experiences like this?



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12 Nov 2012, 2:10 pm

All the time, i even have a fight with my mom yesterday, she told me that other members in my family, bothered me when i was a kid, because i was too weird, and i was ambidextrous, and maked me write only with my right hand.

We were talking about that, And they were in the other room, and i was saying they were a bunch of envious persons, and that it was unbelievable how not even my family accepted me the way i was, and she was just saying that i should talk lower because they could hear us, and i just said, come on is true, why should i hide it.

There is a lot of stories like this, but im just pointing two, the other one was.

This happen a lot.

Be in college or school, teacher is explaining something wrong, i just correct him, people get mad, even the proffesor, and i dont get it, because the teacher is making us learn a lie, even if he doesnt know that he is incorrect, he is doing it, and im just making the right thing, and this is a problem, because i cant even avoid this, because i see that mistake and i can only think in that, to the point that makes me upset, and make me anxios, so i have to say it.



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12 Nov 2012, 2:15 pm

Yup, I got in big trouble with just about everyone that I know a couple of years ago for daring to point out that the Christmas tree is a PAGAN object, and therefore has no place in a Christian holiday. I stopped putting one up, and even my own parents have refused to come to my house for Christmas (they're Christians and my mother is a "minister") ever since because the Christmas tree is even more important to them than family on this day. So we've got Christians prioritizing pagan objects over their own child and grand child on a Christian holiday, and I'M THE ONE WHO'S WRONG?

I think that the bottom line here is that "truth" to most NT's really means "majority". Whatever most people are doing, must be right.



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12 Nov 2012, 2:23 pm

People look at me weird when I talk about some things... usually social taboos; sex, death, medical procedures, that kind of thing. Sometimes I forget that other people are squeamish about them.


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12 Nov 2012, 2:24 pm

lady_katie wrote:
Yup, I got in big trouble with just about everyone that I know a couple of years ago for daring to point out that the Christmas tree is a PAGAN object, and therefore has no place in a Christian holiday. I stopped putting one up, and even my own parents have refused to come to my house for Christmas (they're Christians and my mother is a "minister") ever since because the Christmas tree is even more important to them than family on this day. So we've got Christians prioritizing pagan objects over their own child and grand child on a Christian holiday, and I'M THE ONE WHO'S WRONG?

I think that the bottom line here is that "truth" to most NT's really means "majority". Whatever most people are doing, must be right.


Man this is sad, i also think that is pointless, i did say that to my parents, they just say that i was a douchebag, but your family is out of place.

Also i dont like to celebrate my birthday, too much people come, the last time i just went off, and stayed until almost 11 pm in a park near to my house and when i came back to the house almost everyone was sleeping, my mother slapped me in the face, and told me that i was insesitive, that they have prepared me a party, and i just maked them look like fools(The party was for me, and i didnt have a problem with that, i didnt even want that).

And they just say we are the weirds.



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12 Nov 2012, 2:28 pm

Callista wrote:
People look at me weird when I talk about some things... usually social taboos; sex, death, medical procedures, that kind of thing. Sometimes I forget that other people are squeamish about them.


Same for me, and the this is the only thing i like to talk, and people always say to me that i cross limits, but what is the point of stigmatize this subjects?



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12 Nov 2012, 3:11 pm

When I was a kid living in the deep South in the early 50s, we used to have Bible races at Sunday School. The teacher would give a Bible book and verse, and the first kid there got to read the passages. So I was a good reader, and when Joshua 6:16 came up, I was there first, and got to read through verse 20. But then I blurted out what is said in verse 21... I said, "Why would God want children, and women, and sheep killed?" I was pretty much expelled from Sunday school after that, and I never went to Sunday school again.


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12 Nov 2012, 3:14 pm

i lost my physician profession over pointing out that there were no good surgeons at the hospital i worked at.



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12 Nov 2012, 3:16 pm

In the Navy, I pointed out that certain upgrades could be made, and everybody from my LPO to the Captain chewed me out for it because I was a PO3, and only Chiefs and officers were "allowed" to have ideas.

Stupid suggestion box, anyway...


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12 Nov 2012, 4:54 pm

It's not so much that I get in trouble for being honest, I get in trouble for being too direct. It seems like direct truth is taboo and people prefer to read between the lines. For example if you are asked "Do these jeans make my ass look fat?" do not say "damn girl! Your ass looks HUGE". What you're supposed to say is "mmmm... well... I really don't like the cut of those jeans". That way she knows you think her ass looks fat in the jeans even though she already knew her ass looked fat in the jeans before she even asked you. By being indirect you allow her to blame her fat ass on the jeans and give her an excuse to do more shopping.

Well ok maybe that's a bad example but the general rule is - Direct: Bad and Indirect: Good. People love reading between the lines, even when there is nothing written between them.



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12 Nov 2012, 5:02 pm

I have a reputation for having no "verbal filter."

Words in my head just tend to fall out of my mouth.

Co-worker: "Do you remember who it was that gave you this information?"

Me: "It was the fat chick with the short brown hair."


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12 Nov 2012, 7:22 pm

rixxar12 wrote:
Callista wrote:
People look at me weird when I talk about some things... usually social taboos; sex, death, medical procedures, that kind of thing. Sometimes I forget that other people are squeamish about them.

Same for me, and the this is the only thing i like to talk, and people always say to me that i cross limits, but what is the point of stigmatize this subjects?
People don't like to be forced to think about them. They feel like it invades their privacy and conjures up the private fears we all have to deal with.


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12 Nov 2012, 7:29 pm

XFilesGeek wrote:
I have a reputation for having no "verbal filter."

Words in my head just tend to fall out of my mouth.

Co-worker: "Do you remember who it was that gave you this information?"

Me: "It was the fat chick with the short brown hair."


...but I bet he knew who you were talking about!! :lol:



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12 Nov 2012, 7:30 pm

There have been many times that I have noted someone say something inaccurate where I have had to determine whether or not to correct them. Of course I make sure that I am positive of the truth in these matters. But many times when I do decide to correct someone, I have been met with argument on their behalf. Many of these things have come in the forms of things that have for many years been accepted as truths when in fact they are not. For example, someone might say that the many errors/ bloopers in the old 1960's television serial Dark Shadows happened because the show was done live. Not true. It was taped. But, nearly all the time, they had to go with what was taped whether or not there were errors on it or not.


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12 Nov 2012, 8:12 pm

I rarely get into trouble for pointing out the truth. People just laugh at what I say or say I am honest or tell me "too much information" or that they don't need to hear that or don't wanna know. I remember some times I got into trouble like when I went to classes for my job three years ago, the teacher wasn't specific enough about something so I misunderstood her. She was blaming it on me and then another adult who was also in our class made the same mistake I made and she corrected him too. I told her I was not the only one who misunderstood her and she stood there open mouthed. I asked her "what?" not understanding what I did wrong and she told me "You say too much, you need to keep your mouth shut." She didn't get on his back about not listening to her either so I told her I wasn't the only one who misunderstood.


I also remember the time saying about my aunt and uncle and cousin when I received their wedding present. "They may be cheap, but at least they weren't cheap enough to not get a wedding present" and everyone laughed. I meant it as a compliment because they never travel out of state to attend weddings or family reunions but yet they still got us a wedding present. My dad said four years before it was because they were "cheap" so I was like yeah they may be cheap, but not cheap enough to not get us one. Things would have been different if I said thrifty or frugal instead of cheap. But it's not that was the trouble I got into, it was me saying it in the thank you card to them because I thought it make them laugh and thought it was a compliment. But no they were shocked and my aunt was hurt. Not really the "truth" because I used the wrong word. Like I say, it would have been different if I said thrifty or frugal instead. I wonder how my aunt and uncle and cousin would have reacted if I wrote "You may be frugal, but at least you weren't frugal enough to get us a wedding present?"


When I was 12, school got out and I was going home with my brothers and my mother who picked us up from school. Then all of a sudden she starts talking to one of our neighbors who was also picking her son up from school and I say to the neighbor all of a sudden "Don't you ever teach your son anything?" because he was a bully and she always let him get away with it and she was aware of his behavior. Mom told me "Oh shut up." I felt so embarrassed after that. Then at home mom apologized to me saying she also used to do the same thing. I just thought then she meant when she was my age she did it but now I wonder if she meant she did it as an adult and I learned it from her subconsciously. :roll:


Just this weekend mom and I went out grocery shopping and we were talking about pet peeves and mom tells me what one of her pet peeves is at home and my husband and dad are the pet peeve what they do. It was about not picking up their dirty dishes and just leaving them in the sink rather than cleaning up their mess and they leave it all for her to do. I said I would talk to him about it. So we get home and there is my husband and I start to tell him that and mom scolds me about "attacking him" and told me it stays between us and it was one of those things I don't need to repeat and to go out and "attack him" and then she starts apologizing to him explaining to him we were talking about pet peeves and she told me what hers were and she said about them leaving their dirty dishes out and not cleaning up the kitchen. Then my husband shows me what he had been doing while we were away, he can cleaned my bedroom and the whole living room and it looked nice and there I was coming home "attacking him" when I was trying to help my mother so she be happier at home and feel more comfortable.


In high school, kids would ask me for my opinions about what I think of someone and instead they go to that person and tell them what I had said behind their backs making it look like I went around saying bad things about them because they left out the fact they asked me for my opinion of them. It took me months to learn to not trust them and to learn I shouldn't answer people if they ask for my opinion about a person. They can just do the gossip. They were probably taking advantage of my honesty which is a form of bullying they did and bullying their own friends as well without having them knowing about it because they wanted drama.

So yeah I have gotten in trouble before for pointing out the truth.


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12 Nov 2012, 10:10 pm

I don't think I've ever "gotten in trouble", but I'm always consciously biting my tongue...

I've told girls, "sorry, I don't find you attractive" without realizing I was probably crushing them after they had the courage to ask ME out instead of the other way around. Now I feel like an ass :oops:

Or maybe the worst is responding to the question, "do you love me?" with "I guess so". To me, that still means "yes"...

I try not to correct people too much because I've come to realize that 95% of the time people don't actually care about the subject matter they are talking about. They just want conversation for conversation's sake.